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06-15-2009, 09:40 AM | #21 |
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well it's a pretty good seller, me alone, spent more on this line in one year then 5 households would in 5 years on every kid in each house on any toy line, an i'm not the only one who did this either. i got like 8 or 9 or more grand spent. an like i said im not the only one. i dont know to many parents that spend that kind'a money on toys. do you?
an if the movie fails, the last an best attempt to keep making money off this line would be the 25th, if they can that completely, then i'd say this line is dead. if it wasnt for us army builders, this line would of died already. your 8 guys a wave an one vehicle aint breathing shit in the lungs of this line, us army builders are/do.. to distinguish the 25th cus of the movie not doin' well would be a poor move on their behalf. In fact, I would wager most of the people on this board don't have remotely near that amount of disposable income. More power to you if you do, but trying to claim that you're somehow the norm is complete bulls**t. (PS: Did you buy any of that stuff off the 'bay from a reseller or from "overseas sellers?" Because unless you bought it all direct from a retailer, Hasbro doesn't care about it, and it does little or nothing to support the overall health and success of the line.) Last edited by Jmacq1; 06-15-2009 at 09:43 AM.. |
06-15-2009, 09:42 AM | #22 |
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In my area, things are a little different as the only peg-warmers are Pilot Scarlett, and the single pack versions of Torch and Ripper. I remember when it was just Buzzer (and maybe a Serpentor) left on the pegs back in '07-'08... wish I would have stocked up on those Buzzers, now... But I think it's safe to say that Hasbro was ill-prepared to continue with the 25th line after the first 3 waves of its release. Hopefully, they'll get it sorted out.
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06-15-2009, 09:48 AM | #23 |
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And army building is done thru the online retailers, not the big box stores.
And you're right, if it wasn't for army building, the line would have died awhile ago. But honestly, there really isn't any difference between the ME stuff and the RoC stuff, especially as far as Hasbro is concerned. The figure molds are the same, the majority of the figures are the same (just painted different). It's just the packaging that is different. But I do beg to differ on the online retail-troop building connection. My troop building has been at least 85% retail-store-bought. But I know that if I want more Eels, B.A.T.S, or Ninja Vipers, online is the way to go.
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06-15-2009, 10:04 AM | #24 |
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I really hope ROC tanks. hatred of the movie not withstanding the toys and designs really look bland and unappealing. Theres ntohign that really just stands out and says "HEY LOOK AT ME IM KICK ASS". they all just kinda blend together and are rather unimaginative in most of the designs.
Okay maybe the "helix" character actually had some thought put into it as its not just black n grey poersuits or what not but most of the other stuff (flash, frostbite the neo vipers, ) are jut terrible and again show no real ingenuity just a kinda "lets amalgamation of parts will sell as this figure and if anyones dumb enough to fall for it" attitude. sure i know some of it is ia cost cutting measure to save money but ith the prices they are asking for this stuff they should be making every figure a new sculpt in my opinion. do i realize that woudl cost and some people would say oh well that would just mean more money they woudl charge...yes i do. do i like it...not a FRACKIN' CHANCE and that too is a factor in why i will not support the movie or its merch.
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06-15-2009, 10:16 AM | #25 |
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And army building is done thru the online retailers, not the big box stores.
And you're right, if it wasn't for army building, the line would have died awhile ago. But honestly, there really isn't any difference between the ME stuff and the RoC stuff, especially as far as Hasbro is concerned. The figure molds are the same, the majority of the figures are the same (just painted different). It's just the packaging that is different. an that's hasbros fualt not having em in stores as much. hows a toy going to sell in stores that kids have no acknowledge of? kids dont want what they dont know. put out a cartoon based on the classics just updated on cartoon network around 4:00 an some commercials for toys an having kids play with em in the commercial, that will intrigue kids to want em. right now, basically the only kids that are into these is cus of their dads that are in our age group.. if the store had more choice to choose from an a dock load of material, then army building would be done from the stores as well. i stopped gettin from stores cus they dont carry anything, an if they do it's sold out fast. minus the peg warmers, much like starwars has im sure. you aint gonna army build indivisual characters, only troopers of some sort. so luke is left hangin on the peg like buzzer. but when this movie hits, it will be a downer towards our age group. my neighbor even came to me the other day an said " damn i seen the preveiw for the movie when i seen the terminator" he said "that shit's gay, i heard them say go get your super suits or some shit, an was like super suit"? so, i think the retired joe fans will be as upset as some of the fella's are on here about this movie. i think this will be a hit for the kids, an if it is a hit, then they better not stop the classics, a majority of us here are here for the classics. an then some just never stopped collecting joes ever. like xhair, he got everything from every era. so there will be hardcore joe fans that will buy it cus it's joe. not saying xhair will, but there are many that will. |
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06-15-2009, 10:27 AM | #26 |
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I can assure you that people that spent 8-9 grand on new G.I. Joe product in the past two years are very much the exception, and not the rule (Especially since if you bought everything in the line (to include every pointless repaint and repack) at retail price it still only comes to less than $2000 dollars, I believe). In fact, I would wager maybe 1 in 100 people on the board spent that much...probably even less.
In fact, I would wager most of the people on this board don't have remotely near that amount of disposable income. More power to you if you do, but trying to claim that you're somehow the norm is complete bulls**t. (PS: Did you buy any of that stuff off the 'bay from a reseller or from "overseas sellers?" Because unless you bought it all direct from a retailer, Hasbro doesn't care about it, and it does little or nothing to support the overall health and success of the line.) an i'm not the norm but there are a few builders on here coldslither for one, now combine 3 army builders that spent 10,000 each that's 30 grand. an this isnt the only joe forum, there are joe fans on other sites that build as well. take 10 army builders that spent 10,000 each . thats the price of a house in the 90's.. now add you an the " norm" to that equation.. that's a shit load of money buddy, this site alone is ten thousand strong. oh you know what i forgot to mention, moc an openers. doube buyers. the ones that buy a case for moc plus a case to crack open. add that aswell to the equation. oh an i never claimed to be the norm, i said , us army builders breathes air in the lung of this line, not your 8 figures an 1 vehicle. Last edited by Unclassified; 06-15-2009 at 10:33 AM.. |
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06-15-2009, 10:28 AM | #27 |
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I really hope ROC tanks. hatred of the movie not withstanding the toys and designs really look bland and unappealing. Theres ntohign that really just stands out and says "HEY LOOK AT ME IM KICK ASS". they all just kinda blend together and are rather unimaginative in most of the designs.
Okay maybe the "helix" character actually had some thought put into it as its not just black n grey poersuits or what not but most of the other stuff (flash, frostbite the neo vipers, ) are jut terrible and again show no real ingenuity just a kinda "lets amalgamation of parts will sell as this figure and if anyones dumb enough to fall for it" attitude. sure i know some of it is ia cost cutting measure to save money but ith the prices they are asking for this stuff they should be making every figure a new sculpt in my opinion. do i realize that woudl cost and some people would say oh well that would just mean more money they woudl charge...yes i do. do i like it...not a FRACKIN' CHANCE and that too is a factor in why i will not support the movie or its merch. Also gotta love how anyone that disagrees and thinks the movie stuff is OK (or good) is "dumb enough to fall for it" though. God forbid anyone have a genuine opinion that differs from yours. |
06-15-2009, 10:32 AM | #28 |
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never will buy from overseas theives, an i got a few things off ebay, only if it was a steal though. regardless, if a seller has it on ebay , he bought it anyway. so the product was still purchached, meaning us sellers.
an i'm not the norm but there are a few builders on here coldslither for one, now combine 3 army builders that spent 10,000 each that's 30 grand. an this isnt the only joe forum, there are joe fans on other sites that build as well. take 10 army builders that spent 10,000 each . thats the price of a house in the 90's.. now add you an the " norm" to that equation.. that's a shit load of money buddy, this site alone is ten thousand strong. oh you know what i forgot to mention, moc an openers. doube buyers. the ones that buy a case for moc plus a case to crack open. add that aswell to the equation. Aaaand you still don't get it. Of that "100,000 grand" Hasbro gets very little. The profits primarily go to the retailers, not to Hasbro (who makes their profit when they sell the stuff to retailers in the first place). And yet again...all this troop building still didn't manage to get Joe any more shelf-space, which means it wasn't selling as well as some people think. Especially since the retailers dumped the line after Christmas. If it were the "uber hot" line some collectors here think, the retailers wouldn't have been worried about product not selling through by the time the movie hit. |
06-15-2009, 10:37 AM | #29 |
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I'm with Jmacq1. If the movie line fails, I don't think we'll see a return to ME, might see some of the stuff in the backlog come out, but nothing new.
No, at that point it would be time to retire Duke and Snake-Eyes and try to come up with a new concept. Also don't forget that Hasbro has this nice, shiny and new tv station that is for KIDS. So whatever their future plans for G.I. Joe are (post-movie, flop or not) will without a doubt involve the TV Station. Which is why I really think it will go one of two ways: 1- Movie a success, there will be a cartoon based on the movie continuity or at least something along those lines so it's fairly recognizable to the tons of new fans of the movie (which will probably outnumber the "oldschool RAH fans") 2- Movie's a flop (which it won't be), there will be a new concept and supporting cartoon. With this TV Station, Hasbro has the perfect oppotunity to try to recapture what helped caused the boom of the RAH line back in the '80s, having a weekly 30 min long toy commercial. with the new station is the perfect place to have resolute to be on they can have it on late so the kiddies dont watch it . As this is what they should of backed this whole time is resolute. it is a perfect cross witha old feel and new look. this is how the movie should be not so over the top. |
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Retail sales are the important thing. The amount spent online is actually a bad thing.
Growth of the line occurs in the stores, not the online stores. Do we really want Joes to only be available online? Also, there's 10,000 posters on the Tank, but I bet there's really only like 2,000 unique posters that don't have memberships on any of the other sites. I know I have memberships here, YoJoe, Terrordrome, GIJCC and maybe one or two others even though I only post here and rarely GIJCC.
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