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06-12-2009, 10:41 PM | #261 |
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I hope they edit the movie so that someone says "Yo Joe" in it at least once. LOL. And IMO they should reshoot the intro in which it is an exact frame for frame live action remake of the 1987 G.I. Joe animated movie intro with the same music and everything; I love that intro. LOL.
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06-13-2009, 01:14 AM | #262 |
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This rumor's made for some great reading over the last couple of days. Here's my perspective.
(1) The rumor was from an unsubstantiated anonymous source. Until I see some corroboration from a source I trust, I'm not prepared to believe a word of it. It'd be no different than if I were to announce that Rachel Weisz had been cast as Poison Ivy in "Batman 4" (which I did, on my blog, back in January - spread the word!) Quote:
(2) There has been an official response to the rumor. The rumor has not been debunked or disproven. The response came from unreliable sources - Lorenzo, a man who does not possess a soul, and El Miyambe, a guy who'd probably pimp out his children for a first look at ROC. I'd trust my neighbor's talking dog before I'd believe a word out of their mouths. (And yes, that's a Son of Sam reference.)
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(3) The fact that no trustworthy source has rebuked the rumor does not give it any credence. It's still an anonymous internet rumor with no supporting evidence of any kind. (Remember, Rachel Weisz as Poison Ivy in "Batman 4"! Oh, and David Goyer's writing and directing. Spread the word!)
Not to mention, the promotion on this movie has been considerably lax compared to Transformers, Transformers 2, and Star Trek from Paramount, even though GI JOE has a bigger budget than the first Transformers and its based on a popular brand. I get that Transformers 2 is coming out first and its a big deal, but look what happened when everyone was put on Iron Man over TIH last summer. This almost feels like Paramount is trying to cut some of their losses like Fox with DBE, which Fox barely promoted. Quote:
(4) Even if every word of the rumor is true, it's irrelevant. No amount of editing is going to "save" ROC. It's just not possible. Even if they rushed in some reshoots between now and August, it won't be enough. The movie was flawed from the get-go.
However, the movie went with a rushed WGA strike script in 2007. It was a rushed production. Those generally lead to a worse movie. Look at Wolverine. Look at DBE. Quote:
(5) No matter what kind of drama has gone on in post-production, this movie will not be delayed or shelved. It's a summer tentpole, we're too close to opening day, too much is riding on it. Paramount has to think about the licensing, the tie-ins, the distributions deals, etc. They've made too many commitments. About the only thing they can do is not screen it for critics - which would be the kiss of death, a sign of no-confidence for their $200 million movie. The only thing Paramount can do is brazen it out. Like it or not, this is happening on August 7.
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06-13-2009, 02:53 PM | #263 |
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Not to mention, the promotion on this movie has been considerably lax compared to Transformers, Transformers 2, and Star Trek from Paramount, even though GI JOE has a bigger budget than the first Transformers and its based on a popular brand.
I get that Transformers 2 is coming out first and its a big deal, but look what happened when everyone was put on Iron Man over TIH last summer. This almost feels like Paramount is trying to cut some of their losses like Fox with DBE, which Fox barely promoted. I think with those movies, there was salvagable footage for Baird to work with in the first place. With ROC, Baird would have to open a drawer and find ninety minutes of footage from an entirely different movie. Otherwise, it's gonna be like rearranging the proverbial deck chairs on the Titanic. I think ROC's just too fundamentally flawed to be saved.
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06-13-2009, 10:57 PM | #264 |
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He could go and get star trek, star wars all episodes, all james bond flicks, all x-men flicks, Iron Man, Transfomers, Terminator, GI Jane, Red Scoprion, all of Arnold's Schwarzzenegers movies (including kindergarden cop), Rambo 1 2 3 and 4, Invasion USA, MIssion in action 1 and 2, The Octogon, Beverly Hills Ninja, The Animal with Rob Schinder, Robocop 1 and 2, Red Dawn, Pearl Harbor, Iwo Jima, The Bridge over the River Quai, Ben-hur, The mummy, mummy returns, Journey to the Center of the earth old one from the 60s and the new one with Bradin Fraiser, and get Seth McFarlane to do Stewies voice and Narate every scene, put it in on x4 fast forward and play all clips together in a 3 hour smorgasborg of all these films with the GI JOE title..and at the end have a public service annoucement about not doing drugs and be cool stay in school and they might pull of a salvage!
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06-13-2009, 11:53 PM | #265 |
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Tomb Raider wasn't really salvagable. It was just able to become successful on hype and name value alone. Critics and audiences generally HATED the movie. Hence the sequel absolutely BOMBING.
Quite simply, if you can't see that they aren't promoting GI JOE as much as other summer vehicles, I mean, whatever. We got the first Transformers teaser in 2006. We didn't get anything for GI JOE until a few months ago at the Super Bowl. |
06-14-2009, 05:40 PM | #266 |
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Tomb Raider wasn't really salvagable. It was just able to become successful on hype and name value alone. Critics and audiences generally HATED the movie. Hence the sequel absolutely BOMBING.
Quite simply, if you can't see that they aren't promoting GI JOE as much as other summer vehicles, I mean, whatever. We got the first Transformers teaser in 2006. We didn't get anything for GI JOE until a few months ago at the Super Bowl.
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06-14-2009, 06:06 PM | #268 |
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The rumor was proved false. I guess that means no last minute edits.
Very interesting.
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06-14-2009, 09:11 PM | #269 |
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No, actually it's not. It allows for a fresh vision. So the existing fanbase may not like it, but when you go for a new vision like Joe is, you don't really care what a small number of people think.
This isn't our Joe, and because of that, having someone that doesn't know the existing mythology is the right way to go. There's absolutetly no reason for that. If you're going to take a stab in the dark and try to bring success by introducing an old product to a new, then you BRING something new. The alternative is you're just using the name to try to bring in customers and that cheapens the whole damn thing. And it's proven to not work as well. Proven by history. Video games are a perfect example. The greatest movie in the world is still going to have a crappy video game even if you slap the movie's name on it unless the game is good. You can't just slap a name on it and get instant success. And they've been doing that for decades and they continue to fail. That's like marketing a new moped and just slapping a Toyota label on it in the last minute just to bring in a couple more bucks from people too dumb to separate a name brand from an actual product. Guess what? You fall into that category. Quote:
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But how can you judge a complete product you've never seen? I jsut don't understand that part, never have.
Can say "I think it'll suck because of a, b and c" but you don't know for sure because you've never seen the complete and finished product. The trailers for Land of the Lost made it look horrible, hell the reviews and what the movie made make it look horrible, but I'd never come out and say "it sucks" until I've seen it for myself. I seriously don't understand the view that can judge a complete product based off just pieces. I can look at a guy who only had limited success with the movies he's put out and then take a look at the type of movies they were, look at the fact that he both wrote, produced, and directed most of them, and it's unreasonable to assume that his style of movie (cheasy action flicks with poor one-liners and little story content) is going to change. When I see a very poor trailer packed with a bunch of cheasy wave blasts, and armored wolf or something, and ninja's jumping 15 feet up in the air... it confirms what I knew all along. Mathius |
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Here what was promised to us from the Hasbro CEO and movie producer Brian Goldner in an interview in early '09:
But what about the movie's spirit? Should fans expect to see a live-action version of the cartoon, an update on the Marvel comics, or something else entirely? According to Goldner, Sommers and crew want to take filmgoers back a couple of decades: "Steve Sommers is very different. But he's perfect, because if you think about his movies like 'The Mummy,' it's the perfect action/adventure movie. If you think about what we're trying to do for G.I. Joe, really bringing back that '80s G.I. Joe from the Marvel comics -- those first 155 issues are really our focus. If you think about that, you'll understand what we're trying to get at with all those characters and all the intricate relationships. I don't think you'd see this movie as wacky. I think you're going to see this movie as being inspirational for younger kids and totally in the sweet spot for the guys who grew up on G.I. Joe." Honestly, is this the movie we're getting....NO it isn't, we were LIED to! The alternative is they've released something with a "fresh look" that is a slap in the face to all of us who grew up with the product, thus alienating a whole group of people against the movie except for people who actually think that if they just blindly support it, they're going to help enough to make a difference whether the movie and line succeeds or fails Quote:
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