|
Community Links |
Social Groups |
Pictures & Albums |
Members List |
Search Forums |
Advanced Search |
Go to Page... |
|
Thread Tools |
07-02-2009, 05:34 PM | #351 |
Cobra Soldier
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Northeast, OH
Posts: 47
|
Quote:
A statement was made that more people know GI Joe from the cartoon than the comic. Exposure is not proof of anything no matter how long you try to prove your projections. The proof is in the results. And the results are the comic's legacy, which is the complete canon of the line, accepted by Hasbro. What we "know" about GI Joe comes from the comic. Not the cartoon. Mathius Last edited by Mathius; 07-02-2009 at 05:37 PM.. |
07-02-2009, 05:39 PM | #352 |
Cobra Soldier
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Northeast, OH
Posts: 47
|
Quote:
So the film has it`s OWN direction from what you/we all percieve is GI JOE. Lama is involved in the film & as the comics his awful touch is being seen.
Lama ruined GI JOE by making almost everyone either a Ninja or related to a Ninja or having killed/fought one. That was the Biggest Crap pile Lama did in the comics. He`s helped with the film so bound to be some crap somewhere with his input. Now also add the movie is a little in the future (i have no prob with that),that they have gave the characters a new lease of life is Good,for I was fed up with seeing so many supposed Nam Vets still kicking ass & taking names. You wnat that go see RAMBO. All you can do is at least give it a try & hope Lama hasn`t ruined it for us that much (I blame him more than anyone else). Mathius |
07-02-2009, 05:51 PM | #353 |
Banned
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Monrovia, CA
Posts: 12,065
|
Quote:
No, we're not. Maybe you are. Maybe that's why none of the rest of your reply is in any way relevant.
A statement was made that more people know GI Joe from the cartoon than the comic. Exposure is not proof of anything no matter how long you try to prove your projections. The proof is in the results. And the results are the comic's legacy, which is the complete canon of the line, accepted by Hasbro. What we "know" about GI Joe comes from the comic. Not the cartoon. Mathius the results of what Hasbro chooses to use as the defining elements today has zero to do with whether more people watched the cartoon than read the comic 25 years ago. again, your claims come with zero statistics of how many people view G.I. Joe that way, or how many people read the comics, and all you are doing is projecting your preference onto it. everything you've said is meaningless. but hey, who am I to try and talk you out of your make believe world. Here’s a basic lesson in logic, math and basic intelligent thought process and analysis. If one person read the comic and one person watched the cartoon, one person will remember the comic and associate its elements with G.I. Joe and the other will remember the cartoon and associate its elements with G.I. Joe. If two people read the comic and two people watched the cartoon, two people will remember the comic and associate its elements with G.I. Joe and the other two will remember the cartoon and associate its elements with G.I. Joe. Now, if 80,000 people read the comic and 500,000 watched the cartoon, than 80,000 people will remember the comic and associate its elements with G.I. Joe and the other 500,000 will remember the cartoon and associate its elements with G.I. Joe, thus more people will remember G.I. Joe as the cartoon than the comic. I don’t know what world you live in, but 500,000 is always more than 80,000 in this world. Always. Whether the toys follow the lead set forth by the comic is irrelevant. And those numbers are one hundred percent, without a doubt reflective of actual readership and viewership of the comic and cartoon, and no amount of deviation from the comic readership could ever close the gap between it and cartoon viewership. I hate to break this to you, it is a fact, but cartoons and television receive more viewers than comics get readers. It’s been that way since the two have co-existed and competed for audiences. yet you want to claim otherwise simply to defend your position that defies all history. you're right, G.I. Joe was the exception to the rule just because you want it to be. here's a link that shows how many kids actually watch television cartoons today: http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/06/15...all-boys/20695 every single one has over 1 million viewers. every one. you can't dispute that. and that is not some historical anomaly. even conceding that maybe daytime gets half as many viewers, and conceding population growth, you would have to argue such an extreme difference of 1/10 of that viewership for in the 80's to even come close to the readership of the comic. there is no argument you can muster than can dispute these facts, and no interpretation you can make to jump the comic readership more than above 100,000 nevertheless the indisputable 250,000-500,000 that would be needed to even make a logical argument that the comic was viewed by more kids than the cartoon. but, you've yet to let logic and intelligence stand in your way up to this point. Last edited by gunslingercbr; 07-02-2009 at 06:21 PM.. |
gunslingercbr |
View Public Profile |
Find More Posts by gunslingercbr |
07-03-2009, 03:06 AM | #354 |
Aspiring Supervillain
Join Date: May 2009
Location: The Hidden Nebula
Posts: 148
|
Quote:
There's nooo question that ROC is going to suck. I mean when they put together a trailer or "teaser" they put clips of the movie that will "grab" the audience and make them want to go see it. If the Baroness saying "nice shoes" or basically any scene with Mr. Wayans is indicative of the mentality that went into making this movie then I'm pretty sure there's only going to be 2 more hours of such basic minded writing and "comedy".
__________________
atomicgadfly.com |
07-03-2009, 04:40 AM | #355 |
Warrior Of Bad Taste
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Cape Fear Zoo
Posts: 1,156
|
Quote:
BUT, what Transformers had going for it was a decent writer, a good cast (relatively speaking in this kinda thing), a great FX studio, and umm a couple of guys named Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg actually making the movie. The critics were looking for it to either be smarter than the first one or just as cheesy/corny/kiddie as the first one...and it was just a lot of acton and Megan Fox, which is a box of win. Joe has none of this going for it.
__________________
Punk rock, Horror movies,Hasbro, and MY SENSE OF HUMOR ruined my life. Wanted: Vintage Joes, Punk records and G1 Transformers. Feedback thread:http://www.hisstank.com/forum/buy-se...ttiquette.html |
07-03-2009, 05:41 PM | #356 |
Cobra Soldier
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Northeast, OH
Posts: 47
|
Quote:
no, you are wrong again. if more people watched the cartoon than read the comic, than that is what that majority know of G.I. Joe. that is the only thing the argument hinges on. you can't separate the two.
the results of what Hasbro chooses to use as the defining elements today has zero to do with whether more people watched the cartoon than read the comic 25 years ago. again, your claims come with zero statistics of how many people view G.I. Joe that way, or how many people read the comics, and all you are doing is projecting your preference onto it. everything you've said is meaningless. but hey, who am I to try and talk you out of your make believe world. Here’s a basic lesson in logic, math and basic intelligent thought process and analysis. If one person read the comic and one person watched the cartoon, one person will remember the comic and associate its elements with G.I. Joe and the other will remember the cartoon and associate its elements with G.I. Joe. If two people read the comic and two people watched the cartoon, two people will remember the comic and associate its elements with G.I. Joe and the other two will remember the cartoon and associate its elements with G.I. Joe. Now, if 80,000 people read the comic and 500,000 watched the cartoon, than 80,000 people will remember the comic and associate its elements with G.I. Joe and the other 500,000 will remember the cartoon and associate its elements with G.I. Joe, thus more people will remember G.I. Joe as the cartoon than the comic. I don’t know what world you live in, but 500,000 is always more than 80,000 in this world. Always. Whether the toys follow the lead set forth by the comic is irrelevant. And those numbers are one hundred percent, without a doubt reflective of actual readership and viewership of the comic and cartoon, and no amount of deviation from the comic readership could ever close the gap between it and cartoon viewership. I hate to break this to you, it is a fact, but cartoons and television receive more viewers than comics get readers. It’s been that way since the two have co-existed and competed for audiences. yet you want to claim otherwise simply to defend your position that defies all history. you're right, G.I. Joe was the exception to the rule just because you want it to be. here's a link that shows how many kids actually watch television cartoons today: http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/06/15...all-boys/20695 every single one has over 1 million viewers. every one. you can't dispute that. and that is not some historical anomaly. even conceding that maybe daytime gets half as many viewers, and conceding population growth, you would have to argue such an extreme difference of 1/10 of that viewership for in the 80's to even come close to the readership of the comic. there is no argument you can muster than can dispute these facts, and no interpretation you can make to jump the comic readership more than above 100,000 nevertheless the indisputable 250,000-500,000 that would be needed to even make a logical argument that the comic was viewed by more kids than the cartoon. but, you've yet to let logic and intelligence stand in your way up to this point. If 2 people read Tolkien and 4 people read some random book about elves, that doesn't mean that the random book is suddenly what impacts everything about elves. Quit with your math. Life doesn't get explained by equations. 2 of those people maybe gave up reading fantasy altogether because they found random book stupid. maybe 1 of them heard something from the 2 tolkien guys that convinced them that tolkien's elves are better. Quit trying to act like everything is concrete, because all the concrete evidence again points to Hasbro using the comic for canon. The majority of people use the comic for canon. And the more Hasbro uses the comic for canon, the more exposure the comic gets. Mathius |
07-03-2009, 11:23 PM | #357 |
Banned
Join Date: May 2007
Location: blasdell, ny near buffalo
Posts: 8,433
|
man right here is why res is better then ROC you can hear the love he has for joe in this. while the ppl on roc dont give 2 sh*ts
"Creating G.I.Joe: Resolute was quite literally a childhood dream come true,” said Dos Santos. “As we began development on this project the first thing I did was bring in all my old toys and set them up around my office so that whenever I found myself a little short on inspiration all I had to do was look up at my original H.I.S.S. Tank or Sky Striker and immediately I was hit with a wave of nostalgia, which in turn, sparked the same fire that drove me as a kid to draw page after page in my notebook of Storm Shadow vs. Snake Eyes or Duke vs. Cobra Commander.” |
07-03-2009, 11:33 PM | #358 |
Iron Grenadier
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: New Hampshire
Posts: 565
|
Quote:
No its people like you that is ruining it for me. Your constant bickeirng and attacks to egg people on. You just can not accept that we do not like it and try to sway our opinions other waise because you know in the end we are getting the word out and it will be an intersting day when people start to listen as a lot alreayd have...
Sorry just give it up |
07-06-2009, 10:28 PM | #359 |
Warrior Of Bad Taste
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Cape Fear Zoo
Posts: 1,156
|
my god.
I get the feeling like some of you have strayed away from the topic and are lost in random internet rage. Counseling is available. I am sure they offer it at the same place they offer counseling for those guys who play too much Warcraft. Its a freakin movie based off of toys. It is not your religion. It should not be what you base your damn life around. I also get the distinct impression that there are a couple of you who are probably spending way too much time thinking about how to attack each other. It was funny at first but to quote The Smiths "That joke just isn't funny anymore"
__________________
Punk rock, Horror movies,Hasbro, and MY SENSE OF HUMOR ruined my life. Wanted: Vintage Joes, Punk records and G1 Transformers. Feedback thread:http://www.hisstank.com/forum/buy-se...ttiquette.html |
07-07-2009, 02:43 AM | #360 |
Ne Plus Ulta
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Brooklyn
Posts: 4,773
|
That's probably the downside to what G.I.Joe became in the 80's under the ARAH title...with TOO MUCH character building?
We had the non-name versions of G.I.JOE as merely a "soldier" (Grunt) or an "ADVENTURER" and the rest was up to us to create and play out. Now Hollywood wants to capitalize (a little LATE in the game) on the popularity of the "characters" that Hasbro created in the 1980's. The catch can go BOTH ways though when they do this, because they've established a very DEFINITE characterization of these characters and their stories have been told via the cartoon and comic books and based on those vivid portrayals, the toys and comics became very popular and attracted a substantial fanbase, that's still clinging onto them to this day. Now that Hollywood has decided to take a stab at bringing all that to the big screen in a live action film, they're taking liberties with the material that's not being met with much pleasure and agreement from out of the "fans"....and it's probably a little hard to accept (or swallow) that because it's Hasbro's property, it's whatever they say it is, and we should just realize that and take it for what it's worth (not much) or ignore it, which is equally disappointing considering the amount of time it took for anyone to take the material and USE it when it was fresh. Now it's 'stale' and (like usual) Hollywood THINKS they have to make changes in order to make it all fresh and NEW again? That's where I disagree and think the original was solid enough and trying to "date" the movie with the mindset of the 1980's should not be viewed as detrimental to it, but should be the whole damn IDEA of it. If the 1980's era of ARAH was IVANHOE (with Robert Taylor) then this ROC G.I.Joe movie is A Knights Tale in comparison. I'll take Ivanhoe! happy.gif 'G.I. Joe: The Rise Of Cobra' - TNI Forums That's it in a nutshell, people. It's not the "matrix," effects." The bullshit UN/NATO team. Scarlett hooking up with Ripcord. The underwater sea base. Or the accelerator suits. This the blatant and total disregard for established character histories and continuity. If this movie was called G.I. Joe, The B.S. U.N./NATO Accelerator Suit Action Team. People might of been more receptive towards the project. Hell, I might of been move receptive. Not receptive to see it, be more receptive. You can't take take something that's been around for 25 years, then radically "remix," it into something totally unrecognizable, then have nerve enough to wonder why the fandom bitches about it. The equivalent would've been on Star Trek TNG instead of making new characters. They would've named Picard Kirk. Data Spock, or Dr. Crusher Bones. But unlike us, Paramount actually have respect for the Trekkers. G.I. Joe though not a simple movie to do (because we basically seen it before,) is a simple concept. AMERICAN special opts team goes after a terrorist group. Instead of making needless changes to the continuity we not expound on already established ones. The source of C.C.'s illusionment with the system. The creation of the Siegies. What Scarlett's secondary military speciality is. If it hasn't been revealed. How exactly can Firefly leave a mission without being seen? There's a lot of great Joe stories to be told just from the file cards. Have you supporters of the film ever wonder why depsite it's flaws why most fans either liked of loved Resolute even though there was a major continuity shift with Snakes Eyes and Storm Shadow. It's because at the end of the day, Resolute is something that the movie isn't TRUE THE ESSENCE OF WHAT G.I. JOE IS AND WHAT MADE IT GREAT FOR THE PAST 25 YEARS. |
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Official G.I. Joe Command Team Recruiting Thread | vadersquest | G.I. Joe General Discussion | 222339 | 04-12-2024 04:34 PM |
The Official Abbreviations Thread... | VIPER 48 | General Discussion | 128 | 06-23-2022 08:10 AM |
Umanumanamo's Official B/S/T Thread | UMAN | G.I. Joe Buy Sell Trade | 60 | 07-11-2009 01:25 AM |
Official 'HEROES' thread! | General Scarlett | Movies DVD Television | 60 | 10-26-2008 12:27 PM |
Leave negative feedback without fear of recieving a retaliatory negative? | genoneguy | Buy/Sell/Trade Feedback | 21 | 03-12-2008 11:41 AM |
|
|