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06-25-2015, 01:30 PM | #1 |
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In recent years, ya boy Fred has been vindicated (as much as one can be vindicated on a fan forum message board,) in certain respects concerning the comic book film genre. I said that there should be a JLA movie, others said that a JLA movie would never happen. We're getting a JLA movie. I said that the Batman should be in his traditional grey uniform. Others said that the reason why we'll never see the Batman in his traditional gray uniform is because it's not realistic and it wouldn't look right in on the big screen. Now in Batman vs Superman we're getting finally getting the Batman in his traditional gray suit. The most controversial thing that I've ever said, (and I'm sure it going to start some shit here is,) is that Hasbro needs to charter to it's fanbase, those tricenarians and quadragenarians who have basically been this band alive for the past 30 years.
Other's have disagreed with me because they argue the fact that Hasbro is a toy manufacturer and one of their products is a line of army men who's target demo is boys between the ages of 8-12. Here's the reality of the situation, (from a layman's perspective,) boys between the ages of 8-12 aren't playing with army men, however, men between the ages of 30-40 who have been with the JOE brand since childhood will buy JOE figures and accessories if Hasbro puts out decent product. To illustrated this point, listen to this short clip from Kevin Smith's Fatman on Batman podcast as Joe Quesada explains why the Netflix Daredevil series is a hit. Go to 1:30:44- 1:34:07[/b] [b]Fat Man on Batman 80: Joe Quesada: Daredevil's Step-Dad Steps Up And there you have it, Marvel has been the hit making and dollar producing machine because of two factors, 1) Fans (who eventually became creative talent on the books,) are leading the creative direction where the animation, television, and movie projects are concerned. 2) When doing the television and movie projects, Marvel not only understands, but appreciates it's core fanbase and realizes that in film and t.v. adaptions of the comic books, people want to see on these mediums what they're been reading all of these years, and if there is a change to the source material, that change better make sense. Marvel movies are the shit because Kevin Feige and Joss Whedon understands the Marvel Universe. The Flash is arguably the best superhero series currently on air because it's Geoff John's baby and the Flash is his favorite character. I heard that when HBO pitched Game of Thrones to G.R.R.M. once of the conditions for the show to be made was that the show producers figure out that R+L=J. That's where Hasbro is dropping the ball concerning the JOE brand, when a film or t.v. adaption, they let some people with some half assed knowledge of the JOE mythos do the project and not only that let Sommers use G.I. JOE for a vehicle for a movie that he couldn't get made on his own. JOE also suffered from being regarded as being merely just a movie based on a comic book and a toy. In order for life to be brought back into the G. I. JOE brand, Hasbro is going to have to let the brand do what it's fans did, and that's grow up. Detractors will say that this will be the death knell to the brand. Really, G.I. JOE is on life support now and the only people that seem interested in G.I. Joe seem to be men in there 30's and 40's. I've seen Arrow, The Flash, and Daredevil and I think that future of G.I. JOE lies in a Netflix series. The series should be grounded, steeped in character development, and contain elements of future military tech. Will this show get boys between the ages of 8-12 to buy Hasbro's army men? Probably not, but it will get interest in the brand to where Hasbro could possibly do an animated series with the JOEs along the same vein that Disney does with it's Marvel characters. It couldn't hurt and I think it's worth a shot.
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06-25-2015, 02:00 PM | #2 |
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I totally agree.
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06-25-2015, 02:04 PM | #3 |
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I agree as well. GI Joe has a mythos all its own and is indeed more than just a bunch of military guys shooting shit.
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06-25-2015, 02:41 PM | #4 |
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Of course I guess you would have to do the SE/SS storyline, but I would be interested in seeing something on C.C. I want to know why he's mad, how he got his money, why he thinks terrorism is the best way to get his message across and how he hooked with the Baroness and the Twins.
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06-25-2015, 02:48 PM | #5 |
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Of course I guess you would have to do the SE/SS storyline, but I would be interested in seeing something on C.C. I would to know why he's mad, how he got his money, why he thinks terrorism is the best way to get his message across and how he hooked with the Baroness and the Twins.
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06-25-2015, 03:17 PM | #6 |
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That's where Hasbro is dropping the ball concerning the JOE brand, when a film or t.v. adaption, they let some people with some half assed knowledge of the JOE mythos do the project and not only that let Sommers use G.I. JOE for a vehicle for a movie that he couldn't get made on his own. JOE also suffered from being regarded as being merely just a movie based on a comic book and a toy.
That isn't to say that we couldn't get a better film, nor should we strive to get a better film, but I don't think giving "fans" free reign is a solution either. EVERY Marvel film has taken liberties with the characters and interpretation, and a lot times when we DO see fans do their own thing, we get stuff like Superman Returns Quote:
In order for life to be brought back into the G. I. JOE brand, Hasbro is going to have to let the brand do what it's fans did, and that's grow up. Detractors will say that this will be the death knell to the brand. Really, G.I. JOE is on life support now and the only people that seem interested in G.I. Joe seem to be men in there 30's and 40's.
And I can't help but bristle a bit when people say things like "grow up the brand" and "be grounded" because it invariably read to me as "take all the wonderful wacky away from GI Joe". GI Joe was a brand seeded in military roots, but grew and thrived based on the FANTASTY elements introduced since day one, like laser weapons, robots, ninjas, even the core villains (Cobra is as comic booky as you can get). If "fans" had their way, a Netflix Joe series would probably reflect something like the recent IDW "core" GI Joe comic by Karen Traviss (cancelled after 8 issues, and was one of the WORST Joe comics I think I've ever read). Quote:
I've seen Arrow, The Flash, and Daredevil and I think that future of G.I. JOE lies in a Netflix series. The series should be grounded, steeped in character development, and contain elements of future military tech. Will this show get boys between the ages of 8-12 to buy Hasbro's army men? Probably not,
A Live action GI Joe Netflix series would certainly appeal to older fans, it's NOT going to drive toy sales. Quote:
but it will get interest in the brand to where Hasbro could possibly do an animated series with the JOEs along the same vein that Disney does with it's Marvel characters. It couldn't hurt and I think it's worth a shot.
I think a Netflix live action series is a waste of resources better spent on a new animated series to get KIDS back into the brand. This whole post reflects a MASSIVE disconnect I feel exists between what the fans THINK GI Joe is, and what the brand REALLY is. And also shows the issue Hasbro faces in trying to keep the brand relevant or potentially revamp for modern consumers (particularly kids). Transformers thrives based on its ability to engage BOTH kids and collectors. GI Joe is only engaging the collector, which isn't enough to sustain the kind of line collectors want, and is failing to make ANY attempts to engage kids at this stage. If the 8-12 year old boy isn't engaged in action figures, then Hasbro should not be worried about roping them in with new content (at this stage). Their goal should be to get the 4-6 year olds, which will require a significant change in how the toys are approached, and probably not in a way collectors want.
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06-25-2015, 03:40 PM | #7 |
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They should hiring better directors and writers.
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06-25-2015, 03:43 PM | #8 |
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Disagree with the OP. The movies went wrong because they tried to do exactly what you said, appeal to the adult demographic. They were done like Mission: Impossible or Die Hard-style action movies. That is unfaithful to the brand like you said, but it also is the OPPOSITE of what Marvel does with their movies. They specifically target the same young male demographic who is the first demographic who ever cared about superheroes. Unlike DC movies, they don't make their storylines adult, dark, complex and mature. They do exactly what comics were in the '60s-'80s and the Joe cartoon was in the '80s, show a bunch of colorfully costumed characters beating the tar out of each other in the middle of fantasy-oriented plots.
The Joe movies should be done like the Marvel movies. I don't watch superhero TV shows so I have no idea how they're done. But it appears they do not function as toy tie-ins, which Hasbro absolutely needs. Therefore the Joe movies should be rebooted in a style similar to the Marvel movies, which have been pretty successful at selling toys. As for a cartoon, that should absolutely be done no matter what else gets done. Nothing sells toys better than a cartoon. And the Marvel movies have been used as a springboard for cartoons as well. |
06-25-2015, 11:27 PM | #9 |
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I don't think that Hasbro should need to make a choice between making a product that appeals to adult collectors OR to kids - shouldn't they be able to make a product that appeals to both? There is certainly a "kid in all of us" and there is a certain appeal to kids getting more "grown up" toys.
Maybe Hasbro keeps swinging the pendulum too far one way or the other when they should be looking for the happy medium. Also, staying faithful to the brand without any progression is not always the recipe for success: Batman the Dark Knight is certainly a far cry from the character I read about as a kid in Detective Comics - yet is a very successful franchise with an equally successful toy line (encompassing more than just action figures). On the other hand, the Transformers stayed pretty faithful to the original concept and was also a successful franchise with similar success in the toy market. Which goes to show you that there is no 'secret formula' for success. |
06-26-2015, 01:23 AM | #10 |
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