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05-05-2009, 12:33 AM | #11 |
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Killing hippies = win. I think anyone who can make a political point out of not bathing should be blown off the face of the earth.
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05-05-2009, 12:33 AM | #12 |
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You don't remember the issue where Heavy Duty, the machine gunner and science wiz of the Joe team, builds really cool exo-suit thingies that look just like Iron Man and Halo had a baby? Then there was the ultimate showdown between Duke and, er, his ex-girlfriend Baroness(!?).
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05-05-2009, 12:36 AM | #13 |
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That is the biggest load of crap i have heard yet. if that were true they'd have a better cast and wouldnt be captain power wannabes.
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05-05-2009, 12:39 AM | #14 |
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Let's see, if it were just 1982-1983, then Snake Eyes would still be just a Commando, there'd be no Storm Shadow, and Duke is a bit of a stretch (I seem to recall mailing away for him in '84, but I could be wrong). Destro and Baroness are there, but no "Vipers" of any kind, and the original 13 would still have a major stake in the storyline.
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05-05-2009, 12:42 AM | #15 |
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Actually, the Marvel comic was not classically patriotic if you ask me.
The Joes in Hama's Joe-Verse are always getting screwed by the American government. He portrayed the Joes as soldiers doing their best to do their jobs caught between two rival (but disturbingly similar) factions: Rich and powerful American political and business leaders and rich and powerful international terrorists and arms dealers. Hama didn't portray American society as idyllic. In fact, he portrayed it as largely ignorant, materialistic, self-absorbed, violent and weak (with a few exceptional decent people salt-and-peppered throughout). Though it's fair to say he portrayed the majority of every country's citizens, real or fictional, that way, because it is his interpretation of human nature, perhaps? |
05-05-2009, 12:45 AM | #16 |
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I always thought it was ironic. Cobra Commander is a result of American Society. There was no coincidence that the folks in Washington who mis-ran the Joe team were just as bad as Cobra.
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05-05-2009, 12:47 AM | #17 |
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05-05-2009, 12:52 AM | #18 |
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05-05-2009, 01:04 AM | #19 |
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Actually, the Marvel comic was not classically patriotic if you ask me.
The Joes in Hama's Joe-Verse are always getting screwed by the American government. He portrayed the Joes as soldiers doing their best to do their jobs caught between two rival (but disturbingly similar) factions: Rich and powerful American political and business leaders and rich and powerful international terrorists and arms dealers. Hama didn't portray American society as idyllic. In fact, he portrayed it as largely ignorant, materialistic, self-absorbed, violent and weak (with a few exceptional decent people salt-and-peppered throughout). Though it's fair to say he portrayed the majority of every country's citizens, real or fictional, that way, because it is his interpretation of human nature, perhaps? And Hama isn't some arm-chair pundit, which is why I put much more stock in his ideas about the right and wrong that governments (American and otherwise) do than, say, occasionally politically-minded writers like Mike Millar and Warren Ellis (representative of one end of the socio-political spectrum) or Chuck Dixon and Bill Willingham (on the other end). Hama was a real soldier, a trained US Army combat engineer born again hard as a tunnel rat in the Vietnam War, whose healthy skepticism of socio-political imperialism disguised as patriotism was influenced by his experiences in Indochina as a soldier and his family's treatment at the hands of the US government (his parents, who were second-generation Japanese-Americans, were imprisoned in the infamous "war relocation" internment camps during World War II and all their possessions were sequestered by the US government simply for being of Japanese ancestry). Last edited by zuludelta; 05-05-2009 at 03:36 AM.. |
05-05-2009, 01:25 AM | #20 |
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I see more of a connection to the Image/DDP than the 80's stuff.
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