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05-16-2013, 07:09 PM | #101 |
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Which is why Movies are released on Video 3-4 months after it's theatrical release. Remember when you had to wait almost a year before a Movie was released on Video?
Which is the one thing I hate. Yeah, it guarantees a sequel which means more toys. Why do we have to depend on a Movie to get toys? I know, I know(I've said it myself) G.I. Joe is no where near as popular as it was in the '80s. Retailers won't carry Joe toys unless a Movie is attached and it just ends up being the same f***ing fiasco. Wave 1 gets oversaturated that later waves with better product hardly show up or end up being canceled.
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05-16-2013, 11:13 PM | #102 |
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Don't forget DVD/blu-ray/iTunes/etc sales will push this quite a bit higher. And if they release the anticipated director's cut, that will be likely more. On top of that, they get to mak more from licensing to pay cable, etc. this is the beginning of their totals.
And I would anticipate a huge showing in Japan. I'm pretty sure Paramount is looking at this whole picture, not just domestic or even international box office. To th point about IM3, there are far more Trekkies than Iron Man fans. The Marvel movies have created many fans of their properties, but really these are just action movie fans, not particularly comic book readers. Trekkies tend to be pretty rabid, and this movies looks to cross over into action. If it gets good reviews from well known critics, I think it stands to do as well if not better than IM3.
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Baloney. I've heard those numbers before, and if they were true, every major studio in existence would have folded to bankruptcy years ago, because there's no way they're making enough on the smaller budget films to cover the supposedly massive losses that nearly every big-budget film in existence is eating up.
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While the film failed to reach its budget at the Domestic Box Office (and realistically, home video, digitial sales and the other assorted "back end" offering will likely make up the difference), it made almost double that in international grosses (and it is not only still playing, but has yet to open in Japan).
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After this weekend, Retaliation has broken $120 million dollars in domestic box office.
The movie is still cycling down...but we could yet break 121 before all is said and done (and again, the film has yet to open in Japan, which could add as much as 5-10 million to its overall gross)
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When does it open in Japan?
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05-20-2013, 07:25 PM | #106 |
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June 8, IIRC.
As far as I'm aware, the last major market yet to get the film.
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05-20-2013, 07:54 PM | #107 |
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This is exactly right. It's the reason you are seeing fewer and fewer mega blockbusters. Most of the studios are doing only 4 or 5 such films a year. Their bread and butter is the 20-30 million dollar film.
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I don't think you understand what I am saying. I am not saying they are going to lose money on Retaliation. I am saying they will only eek out a tiny profit. The studios have razor thin margins, and when the box office doesn't do well they are in big trouble. That is why films like Battleship and John Carter were such disasters. Both films grossed about double their production budgets but were massive losses for the studios.
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Yes. Very few films make a lot of money. I agree. Even fewer blockbusters make a lot of money. That is why you see so many productions chasing incentives from states like Louisiana, North Carolina and Georgia.
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I would take it with a pretty massive grain a salt when the studios say they are failing to make a profit. They will claim no film makes a profit to avoid having to pay percentages n the back end - which is why there are some many lawsuits after a movie is hugely popular (Peter Jackson with Lord of the Rings). Just be aware this money was made for less money, particularly in light of inflation, and brought in more money than its predecessor.
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Statistical impossibility. If any given film needs 6-8 times it's production budget to turn a profit (as you originally stated), and we assume The Campaign fell into the 20-30 million dollar range you cite below, then at best the Campaign made 5 times it's production budget and by your own words failed to make the studio any money.
A fifty million dollar film has a lot less profit sharing than a 100 million dollar film, and requires less of a gross to have a similar profit margin. A twenty million dollar film may only need to tripple its production budget to come out looking good for the studio. As budgets grow so too do the metrics for success. Quote:
Most studios only did 4-5 "mega blockbusters" a year before. Once again, if "6-8 times the production budget is needed to make the studio any money" not even those 20-30 million dollar films are making much, if any money. Certainly not enough money to cover the massive losses that, if your statistics are correct, the studios are losing on nearly every big budget film they put out.
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I should have been more clear. Larger budget films need that level of box office success (6-8 times production) to bring in large profits for the studios. The bigger a film's budget the bigger the back end participation is, and the bigger the need for a huge box office.
A fifty million dollar film has a lot less profit sharing than a 100 million dollar film, and requires less of a gross to have a similar profit margin. A twenty million dollar film may only need to tripple its production budget to come out looking good for the studio. As budgets grow so too do the metrics for success. Quote:
I don't know why you feel the need to alter what I have said. I said that the studio would eek out only a small profit from retaliation, and for it to be true sucess it would need a gross of 6-8 times its production budget. And you are right, the studios are losing on nearly every big budget movie they put out. That is why they are doing fewew of them and doing more 20-30 million dollar films.
Do you work for a movie studio? While doing so might make you more qualified in making these statements, it also makes me doubt the veracity since it's often in studios' best interests to downplay or outright lie about how much money they're making (as CA points out above). In fact, many studios have notoriously tried to do so to avoid paying that "back end" the amounts they're entitled to. Hollywood is notorious for "fuzzy math" and incomprehensible accounting. All I'm saying is that if there wasn't an absolute shitload of money being made somewhere, they wouldn't continue operating the business of making movies. |
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