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02-06-2009, 04:06 PM | #71 |
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To your long list of improbably things that are GI Joe.... you bet. Because they're what GI Joe was to me growing up. It has nothing to do with the probability or improbability of what is occurring. It has to do with it differing vastly from what I remember GI Joe:ARAH being, but without any significant gain that I can see. It's not trading off one good thing for another, its losing things I remember for things that don't seem any better. We know SE is french because of the flashbacks, where he does speak French.
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02-06-2009, 04:08 PM | #72 |
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But you've missed the point. I'm not arguing that the label "G.I. Joe" can only be applied to RAH. What I'm arguing is that RAH represents what G.I. Joe is to the vast majority of the fans today, thus we use the terms interchangeably, with the assumption that you'll understand we really mean RAH by the context of what we say.
I'm not saying you can't put the label GI Joe on anything else. Hasbro could put it on a Furby and if that's what they want to call GI Joe, hey. They own the property. But when we argue "this isn't G.I. Joe", what we're really saying is "This isn't RAH and I don't like it". Which again, is a perfectly legitimate an logical position. |
02-06-2009, 04:15 PM | #73 |
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Its cool that we're getting a Sigma Six live action movie so soon!
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02-06-2009, 04:19 PM | #74 |
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02-06-2009, 04:29 PM | #75 |
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Nevermind. No, actually I do still want to give kudos to you guys that have defined your likes/qualms here. I'm glad this didn't just turn into a flame war instead of a reasonable, rational (if at times even too rational) dialogue. Hooray for you!!! |
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02-06-2009, 04:41 PM | #76 |
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I already said I'd accept black uniforms if the rest of the movie remained closer to what we know as RAH.
To your long list of improbably things that are GI Joe.... you bet. Because they're what GI Joe was to me growing up. It has nothing to do with the probability or improbability of what is occurring. It has to do with it differing vastly from what I remember GI Joe:ARAH being, but without any significant gain that I can see. It's not trading off one good thing for another, its losing things I remember for things that don't seem any better. We know SE is french because of the flashbacks, where he does speak French. There's a lot in this movie that's very RAH. We also don't know what's changed in production and post production. Hawk isn't British. Snake-Eyes may not speak in the flashbacks. There are two scenes in the trailer that don't match up with the script. Who know what else has changed?
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02-06-2009, 04:50 PM | #77 |
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People seem to forget that the first GI Joes in the 80's wore the same green uniform. I really don't understand why updating that same concept for the movie is so unholy.
As for the movie figures, I think they look awesome so far. And I say that as a guy that has been collecting Joe stuff for 25 years. It really saddens me that there are so many people who claim to be my fellow GI Joe fans that are being so hard on this stuff. I am incredibly thankful not only that we're getting a movie that I've been wishing for pretty much my whole life (even if it's not perfect), but that we're still getting 3 3/4" figures after all these years! |
02-06-2009, 05:21 PM | #78 |
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I got that. but I think you are being too generous in your optimism that it is being used interchangeably and not absolutely... claiming G.I. Joe only means RAH is illogical, that was my position, not that you can't use it in discussing G.I. Joe for the sake of conversational convenience.
Not to get all Clinton on ya, but I think we gotta go back and define what absolutists mean by "isn't". We can reasonably exclude 12" from the discussion because, if I'm not mistaken, the 12" died off about a decade before RAH started, and really was just dolls with military gear, but no real story line. So RAH, while using the name "G.I. Joe" was really the beginning of something new. Extreme tried to "revamp" GI Joe with all new characters, and an all new story, but failed. Sigma 6 again tried to revamp GI Joe in to a more kid-friendly version with all new characters, who granted shared a few names and generic characteristics of the RAH Joes but were really an attempt at something new. That also failed relatively quickly. In other words, neither Extreme, nor Sigma 6 really took hold, while RAH has been around for 25 years. So you could reasonably say that RAH always has been, and is, the definitive version of G.I. Joe. By "isn't, absolutists don't meant that Hasbro didn't give S6 and Extreme the name "G.I. Joe", but merely that Sigma6 and Extreme weren't really G.I. Joe in terms of what everyone knew G.I. Joe to be - ARAH. Thus the movie isn't really G.I. joe either, from that point of view. Which I still say is a legitimate -and logical- point of view.
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I'm just saying, all that stuff was crazy. Why can't we accept new crazy? The only thing not RAH about this movie are the uniforms (both sides), some nationalities and races, Duke's past relationships, and CC's creation. It's not necessarily any more hi-tech than the old Marvel comics and especially the cartoon. There's a lot in this movie that's very RAH.
We also don't know what's changed in production and post production. Hawk isn't British. Snake-Eyes may not speak in the flashbacks. There are two scenes in the trailer that don't match up with the script. Who know what else has changed? G.I. Joe has always been a bit crazy - that's fine. But why not stick with established crazy? If it's not broken, why are they fixing it? We don't know what's changed in post-production, true. The French connection was only one of many, many grips though. Quote:
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As for the movie figures, I think they look awesome so far. And I say that as a guy that has been collecting Joe stuff for 25 years. It really saddens me that there are so many people who claim to be my fellow GI Joe fans that are being so hard on this stuff. I am incredibly thankful not only that we're getting a movie that I've been wishing for pretty much my whole life (even if it's not perfect), but that we're still getting 3 3/4" figures after all these years!
I'm thankful Joe is still relevant, sure. I LOVE the 25th line. I wholeheartedly disagree with you on the movie toys. But why does my differing opinion on the movie and it's toys suddenly make me not a true fan? That doesn't make any sense. What saddens me is that I can't have a simple difference in opinion without people like you judging me as merely "claiming" to be a fan instead of being a true fan.
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02-06-2009, 05:34 PM | #80 |
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of course, your entire post becomes irrelevant because Derek and I have been friends on Hisstank since I became a member, so our discussion is nothing more than friendly discourse between two people who simply have opposing opinions on the movie and even G.I. Joe in general. and yet, gasp, we get along regardless. boys and girls, this is why you should never interject in others peoples discussions unless you are contributing to it, because you end up looking foolish trying to play one side against the other when there is no conflict to begin with. |
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