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11-10-2007, 12:32 PM | #31 |
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I'm curious Infinitron. What do you think the term international means in respect to what has been said about this movie and why are you so opposed to the idea? The implication of translating GIJoe, America's elite fighting force into GIJoe: International Peacekeeping force is that somehow being proudly American is unacceptible. Other than the fine Action Force comics, GIJoe has always been an American concept. The histories of all the major characters are intertwined with our nation's history. The very term "G.I." is an American military term, for Pete's sake. I'll use an example I've used before- I love Bond films. Bond is an English character entrenched in English mythos. Would a 007 movie be quite the same if he were suddenly portrayed (for example) as a Soviet-born operative working for the United Nations Security Council? Of course not. That may well be a fine concept for a film but it sure as hell would not be 007. People around the world flock to Bond movies because they are cool and as they are true to his British heritage and origins, they are unique. People from other lands haven't demanded Bond be changed, have they? So why should we alter and adapt OUR American heroes, GiJoe, into something "generic" so that somehow it will have bigger box office? I think it's a cowardly, ultra-P.C. thing to do. It offends me and I cannot support it. Now, if the news stories are FALSE and it IS the American GIJoe but with a focus perhaps on some of the "international" MEMBERS of GIJoe to broaden it's apeal, that's just fine with me as it would do nothing to screw around with the heart and soul of what GIJoe is. |
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11-10-2007, 12:36 PM | #32 |
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1)There have been a slew of varied media reports (television, internet, radio) stating that studio execs are planning on taking the "American" out of "A Real American Hero" for the upcoming 170 million dollar movie.
People in a Paramount office, feeling rushed, as a writers' strike was quickly approaching and their option on the rights to G.I. Joe was set to expire soon, were thinking, "How do we market this thing internationally?" Someone said, "Let's change it up a little, make it an international force, and update the name to mean something else." "Like what?" "Global Integrated blah, blah, blah." "Hmmmmm... What does everyone else think?" Someone calls Variety to leak the idea. This is how movie studios test concepts. Warner Bros. is notorious for using CNN (also owned by Time Warner) to leak their own stuff, but others companies generally rely on Variety. The reaction is overwhelmingly negative, and Hasbro steps in to say, "Hold on a minute, fellas." Then... Quote:
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2)Hasbro issues a press release (linked in this thread) in response to fan concern that in no clear way denies the international team reports.
Do you know what "the G.I. Joe brand is about"? I do, and that one sentence is enough for me to wait and see. Since the Variety "article", a new screenwriter has been hired for a project that hadn't even hit pre-production stages. No sets, no cast, no crew, no storyboards, and most importantly, no script, not when that "story" broke. The thing was just greenlit two weeks ago. Quote:
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3)And you think it's illogical to assume that Hasbro is in fact doing what many of us fear?
I've said this before, and I'll say it again: If the final product ends up being as much of a departure from the G.I. Joe stories I read growing up in the '80s, I'll join you in criticizing it. I didn't pay to see Michael Bay's movie this summer, and I won't pay to see this if it looks to be way off course. It's not because I'll feel slighted as an American, or whatever, but because I love the G.I. Joe universe as it is, and I don't think it needs anything more than a bit of updating to make it more modern. Quote:
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See, I think my point about the whole thing is, until anything about the movie is confirmed, it's impossible to have an opinion, or at least to have an informed one. I don't have an opinion. I say, wait and see and hope they make something fun.
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I think it is important to keep this "American" because what most people don't understand is everytime you do something like water-down or cater to other countries, it just empower's them (countries that hate us)to have more control over us mentally.
And this isn't about anyone having "control over us", either. It's strictly financial, and something to remember is that capitalism is a huge part of what's made this country the biggest player in the global game. Honestly, who is trying to control whom when people demand that Hasbro and Paramount do things their way? |
11-10-2007, 12:50 PM | #33 |
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By the way, I think I should add that Hasbro has veto power in projects involving their licensed property. Having the rights to produce and distribute the movie doesn't mean Paramount will be able to just do whatever they want. A couple of examples of what I mean:
Before Michael Bay was ever attached to Transformers, Hasbro had declared that Megatron could not be a gun. They wanted to be able to sell toys, and that would have impacted their numbers. Hasbro doesn't get a substantial cut of movie profits; all their money is made in toy sales and licensing other products. They have more than just 2009 to consider; they have a brand and image to protect. A non-Hasbro example is Superman Returns. DC Comics didn't have to approve every aspect of the film, but their editorial staff had veto rights, just like they have had with all the animated shows. They didn't have to approve the revelation with the piano (I won't be specific for anyone who hasn't seen it), but they did have an opportunity to have that removed. |
11-10-2007, 03:32 PM | #34 |
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Ding, Ding, Ding!!!! Give Complusive Collector a 'No-Prize'!!!!
Brava man.....well done
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11-11-2007, 01:15 AM | #35 |
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Yeah it would be best if they keep politics out I guess. In all honesty it would be nice to escape US vs Terror. Maybe the writers will try giving the film a futuristic approach. That could work out like the Xmen movies. I just hope it isnt lame like the animated movie trying to use DNA of animals...They have to make Cobra command staff ruthless and murderous.
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11-11-2007, 12:08 PM | #36 |
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What Hasbro does is issue a press release which states, "First and foremost, we are not changing what the G.I. Joe brand is about." Do you know what "the G.I. Joe brand is about"? I do, and that one sentence is enough for me to wait and see. Yeah, I know what GIJoe is about. American Heroes. Quote:
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"First and foremost, we are not changing what the G.I. Joe brand is about. The name “G.I. Joe†will always be synonymous with bravery and heroism. " So here, in Hasbro's "non-denial denial" when we see the next sentence you ignored, Compulsive Collector, we are informed that GIJoe is all about bravery and heroism. Those are great qualities to be sure, but Hasbro sure as hades doesn't clarify the American vs International issue now does it? That may be fine for some, but not for a great many. Not at all. If Hasbro wants to "distance" itself from the USA and The US Armed Forces that is not OK at all with me. If you have no problem with it then that's your opinion but I think it's sad. Quote:
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By the way, I think I should add that Hasbro has veto power in projects involving their licensed property. Having the rights to produce and distribute the movie doesn't mean Paramount will be able to just do whatever they want. A couple of examples of what I mean:
I don't think anyone argues that Habsro doesn't have the right to do anything it wants to do with it's legally owned intellectual property. Just because someone is legally entitled to do something sure doen't mean it's always the right thing to do now does it? Patriotism, honor and loyalty are a little more important to myself than the letter of the law and box office totals. Quote:
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Yeah it would be best if they keep politics out I guess.
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11-11-2007, 12:43 PM | #37 |
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i'm telling you..just let me write this movie, i guarantee none of you will disapprove.
there will be an American flag in just about every other scene. whether on a uniform patch, or the star-spangled banner itself. "...And the rockets’ red glare, the bombs bursting in air, Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there.. Oh, say does that star-spangled banner yet wave O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave" Last edited by OUTBACK; 11-11-2007 at 12:46 PM.. |
11-11-2007, 01:07 PM | #38 |
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I think it's just a cop-out .I think that the studios and Hasbro fear if they go "All American" that it won't sell to the foreign market overseas,that is the inevitable truth though they make not admit it.Personally GIJOE since 1964 has been an American thing...and should stay that way reguardless.If you were to make a Capt.America film are u gonna change it to Capt.Euro ?? that's ridiculous...it is actually a shame that our powers to be are COWARDS and have no pride in our country.If James Bond can stay true to being British so can GIJOE for being American.I don't mind them having some foreign team members so as long as they don't alter the origins of the american ones like Duke,Snake-Eyes,Scarlett,Stalker,Gung-Ho,Flint...But to deamericanize the brand is a slap in our faces.
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Yeah, I know what GIJoe is about. American Heroes.
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So here, in Hasbro's "non-denial denial" when we see the next sentence you ignored, Compulsive Collector, we are informed that GIJoe is all about bravery and heroism. Those are great qualities to be sure, but Hasbro sure as hades doesn't clarify the American vs International issue now does it?
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That may be fine for some, but not for a great many. Not at all. If Hasbro wants to "distance" itself from the USA and The US Armed Forces that is not OK at all with me. If you have no problem with it then that's your opinion but I think it's sad.
Quite the 360 from the reaction to having your rush to judgment criticized. Quote:
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I don't think anyone argues that Habsro doesn't have the right to do anything it wants to do with it's legally owned intellectual property. Just because someone is legally entitled to do something sure doen't mean it's always the right thing to do now does it? Patriotism, honor and loyalty are a little more important to myself than the letter of the law and box office totals.
More importantly, though, Hasbro is a corporation. They have a responsibility to their shareholders, and to no one else. Do you own Hasbro stock? If not, then why should what's important to you mean anything? Its very purpose is to generate return on investment for them, not to appease your slighted sense of nationalism. If you valued "loyalty" half as much as you claim, you'd respect that. Quote:
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You think politics isn't exactly WHY Hasbro is doing this?
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i'm telling you..just let me write this movie, i guarantee none of you will disapprove.
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11-11-2007, 01:18 PM | #40 |
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Alrighty gang, let's simmer down shall we??
I think that it's beyond admirable that you have all shown your 'Patriotism and Pride' at not only this line, but how you each envision the movie to play out. I'm with you, I want this movie to make me cry from the first frame to the last..... But we need to chill out a bit and stop getting so heated over something we have absolutely no control over, save the box office reciepts. Let's continue this thread in an orderly fashion and just keep on keeping on, OK? Thanks........
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