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View Poll Results: Who deserves most of the blame for the G.I. JOE failures? | |||
Lorenzo di Bonaventura | 11 | 57.89% | |
Brian Goldner, (former Hasbro c.e.o. and Paramount board member,) | 1 | 5.26% | |
Hasbro Entertainment | 1 | 5.26% | |
Paramount | 1 | 5.26% | |
G.I. JOE isn't viable as a live action film or television series. | 5 | 26.32% | |
Voters: 19. You may not vote on this poll |
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05-06-2023, 11:24 AM | #1 |
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Lorenzo di Bonaventure Developing G.I. Joe Movie
SEPTEMBER 16, 2003 BY SUPERHEROHYPE Hasbro, Inc. announced today an agreement with prominent film producer Lorenzo di Bonaventura to develop and produce a full-length, live-action feature film based on Hasbro's legendary G.I. JOE brand. - https://www.superherohype.com/news/8...g-gi-joe-movie September 16 will mark 20 years since Lorenzo di Bonaventura has had the film and television rights to our beloved G.I. JOE property and in those 20 years all we've gotten was two films that under performed and a film that just straight up bricked. The distaste for the film franchise can be shown more clearly when looking at how much the films earned from the box office as opposed to how much they cost to produce. With a budget of $175,000,000, G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra only grossed $302,469,017 worldwide. With a slightly smaller budget of $130,000,000, G.I. Joe: Retaliation managed to gross more than the original film, with $375,740,705 worldwide. And despite its higher ranking on Rotten Tomatoes, Snake Eyes only grossed $40,064,325 after spending over double that ($88,000,000) on production. - https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/en...joe-movie.html Now we learn that there's talks to do another G.I. JOE film with Lady Jaye as the central character. Normally this would be cause for excitement. Being that L.J. is an intelligence assest it would mean that film would be a cloak-and-dagger political thriller type of flick. Hypothetically we would see L.J., Scarlett, Chuckles, Law, and Jinx following up on leads and analyzing data. As the layers are unraveled the paper trail would lead to Entensive Enterprises and eventually back to COBRA Command. As the movie went forward we would learn just how deeply entrenched the Crimson Guard are in society and how COBRA uses these high level moles to influence government policy and laws, (along with the business models of corporations,) to COBRA's benefit. Thus would lead to an eventual climatic confrontation between COBRA and the JOE team. However, a lot of us aren't excited for this, (or any other G.I. JOE project because of him. For those who don't know that's Lorenzo di Bonaventura, (the founder of Di Bonaventura Pictures,) he's the executive producer on the G.I. JOE live action projects. To bring clarity and perspective to those who are ignorant of the executive producer's role in film making let see what the executive producer does. What does an executive producer do? This is a question that many people have asked themselves when they are considering whether or not to pursue this career. The answer, however, is not as simple as it may seem. Executive Producers are responsible for the production of any film or television show. They typically work behind the scenes with large groups of all types of individuals including directors, writers, and actors to help them produce their best work possible and give them the resources they need to create something truly exceptional. What Does An Executive Producer Do? An executive producer is in charge of making sure the film or TV show comes together and has a cohesive vision. They are responsible for hiring the director, cast, crew members, and other professionals involved with production. They work closely with producers to make sure that all aspects of production are on schedule and running smoothly. - https://filmlifestyle.com/what-does-...e-producer-do/ Key Responsibilities of an Executive Producer During Pre-Production Development is the first phase of the filmmaking process, during which time the executive producer(s) explore financing, secure talent, hire producers, and set a budget. Secure funding: The executive producer must secure funding for a feature film and can do so in several ways: Finance the film themselves. Seek out financing from other individuals or financial entities, like production companies or film investment firms. If the studios pays for a film, it is the EP?s job to present the budget to the studio, with potential overage and projected profit, in order to get funding approval. Attach talent: The executive producer may pursue ?marquee talent??that is, A-list actors or an acclaimed director?to be a part of the film, making it more enticing to studio buyers or financiers. They also help negotiate the contracts for these stars. Hire producers: Once the executive producer has secured the funding, they hire producers. (Though bear in mind that in some cases, the producer actually comes on first and works to hire the executive producer). In either case, producers reports to the executive producer. Approve the budget: The line producer breaks down the script to create the budget. They then present it to the executive producer and producer for approval. Depending on the line producer?s proposed budget, the executive producer may have to raise more funds or put up more of their own. What Is the Difference Between an Executive Producer and a Producer? The executive producer is at the top of the producer hierarchy. They work closely with other kinds of producers but their job descriptions differ. The executive producer may find a script or a book to option first and then hire the producer to execute the project. A producer may already be working on a script with a writer and will reach out to an executive producer to finance the project. - https://www.masterclass.com/articles...r-and-producer So according to these articles, (and correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems as the executive producer is the equivalent to the c.e.o. on a film and to quote Harry Truman, "the buck stops here." How this relates to G.I. JOE di Bonaventura is either hiring (or approving of,) the screenplays that JOE projects are based on. Unfortunately, for us he's seemongly attaching the G. I. JOE brand to anything that crosses his desk and I believe this is the reason why. It's a little daunting right now for us to know where we're headed. There are increasing reasons to draw attention to other things, said di Bonaventura about the video games and social media that pull the younger males away from the cinema. However, We still have the advantage of spectacle. That's why the movie business has shifted to spectacles, because you can't replicate that experience in a home environment, said di Bonaventura. - https://www.google.com/amp/s/deadlin.../?bshm=bshqp/2 There in lies the problem guys, (and I've said as much,) this why we got accelator suits, the Effiel Tower collapsing, sinking ice, and the randomn incogrunecy of giant man-eating snakes, it's for the spectacle. For franchise like Transformers a vehicle that transforms into sentient robot is of in itself is a spectacle where as with G.I. JOE (whenever it's Sunbow, Hamaverse, or military fantasy) it's the series of smaller events that lead to spectacle. In order for G.I. JOE to work the story is key, (and due to it's previous failures,) the story to be exceptional. G.I. JOE is about the team and how the comes to together to fight and defeat the threat that COBRA presents and di Bonaventura doesn't seem to wrap his head around that very simple concept. A G.I. JOE movie, (especially now,) as Lenny once said in regards to Classified needs to pass the "squint test." Don't take that mean we need to see Gung-Ho and Quick Kick combat asaaulting COBRA Island in their v1 looks, but we need to see char a characters acting in ways that we recognize and are familiar with. Case in point the Baroness should be an Eastern European actress, (or at a minimum can speak in an accent from one of those Eastern European countries. Another problem with di Bonaventura is this. Quote:
Lorenzo di Bonaventura is the biggest problem with the G.I. JOE movie franchise. He?s ashamed of the IP and has tried desperately to change it as much as possible but has failed at every turn. He?s always been a hack going back to his days when he was the president of Warner Bros and they had a historic string of box office flops.
The man produces celluloid shit with military precision. - https://www.hisstank.com/f orum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=5646864 Post #957 So given ole boy's "hit-or-miss," track record with film goers, the fact most people disliked his JOE films, and the next JOE film is going to be based on failed pilot that Amazon didn't (mind you in a day and age were damn near anything is getting picked up due to streaming services need for content.) Why should we as JOE fans have any reason whatsoever to believe that that next di Bonaventura G.I. JOE film will be any good? It's time for Hasbro to cut their losses with di Bonaventura. Somebody in a decision making capacity needs to not only put forth the idea, but actively pursue buying back the G.I. JOE film and t.v. from di Bonaventura. Not only has L.di.B. given us shitty JOE movies those shitty movies has had a negative effect on the G.I. JOE brand as whole which has resulted in three toy lines being canceled,his dumb ass and baseless opinion on the hooded COBRA Commander which rendered the character, persona non grata, and G.I. JOE being put on hiatus for about five years. Finally I would be remiss not mention Hasbro's role in this. I'm not expecting anybody at Hasbro outside the JOE team know what A Real American Hero is. With that being said, Hasbro needs to stop "rubber stamping," these bullshit scripts that get turned into shitty movies which has a detrimental effect on G.I. JOE. Hasbro needs to exercise it's veto power in regards to the live action projects. What Hasbro needs to do is have an employee from the JOE team or a prominent member of the G.I. JOE fan community listen to these pitches, read these scripts, and take into serious consideration or not that particular JOE idea or script should be into a movie. The incredibly frustrating part about this is that me or you if we were given about a 100 scripts, some military fantasy, some cloak-and-dagger spy shit, he'll even some ninja martial arts shit we could pick the one that most resembles a G.I. JOE story to the point that the only thing that needed to changed in the script we were reading was to change the names and places to make it more "JOE," centric. I've heard this people repeat sentiment that di Bonaventura needs to go. Even Chris McLeod and Justin Bell have said it. I've often said that the G.I. JOE film's lack off success is analogous to a sports team with shitty ownership and luck like the team with shitty ownership, live action G.I. JOE films fortunes won't change as long as Lorenzo di Bonaventura is involved in the films.
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05-06-2023, 11:35 AM | #2 |
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No offense, I didn't read this, but I'll answer the question. Nope. The thing is, life is too short & too full of actually important shit to care an inordinate amount about toy movies. Outside of hyper-critical fans, they're just popcorn flicks people enjoy while watching them and then mostly forget about afterwards. They're exactly what the bulk of society wants them to be.
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05-06-2023, 11:44 AM | #3 |
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G.I. Joe is better suited for media that isn't hindered by reality's limitations and it's unfair to blame studios for capping what they're willing to spend on a live-action translation of such properties. They're spending their money as they see fit, all within the limitations of what can be done ... even if (whether true) they are skimping on quality writing/acting/etc. to deliver bigger sets or explosions or effects.
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05-06-2023, 12:06 PM | #4 |
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accelerator suits, the Eiffel Tower collapsing, sinking ice, and the random incongruency of giant man-eating snakes
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05-06-2023, 12:35 PM | #5 |
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If a JOE film is going to based in the Sunbow continuity it has to be Sunbow all the way. If a film maker is going to take elements from the cartoon the element to take is the grandiose nature of C.C.'s machinations of world domination. I just listening to an old What's On JOE Mind? episode with Buzz Dixon and he seems like a detail orientated person he wouldn't have had sinking ice. Anyway, I was going to hit y'all about (via Instagram,) on Monday about there being another JOE and you guys thoughts on whether or not JOE films can be successful with L.diB. at the helm.
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05-06-2023, 12:41 PM | #6 |
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I just listening to an old What's On JOE Mind? episode with Buzz Dixon and he seems like a detail orientated person he wouldn't have had sinking ice.
Anyway, I was going to hit y'all about (via Instagram,) on Monday about there being another JOE and you guys thoughts on whether or not JOE films can be successful with L.diB. at the helm. As for sinking ice, I was thinking of something along the lines of - Destro/Dr. Mindbender has developed a device that will infuse the polar ice caps with lead, causing them to sink and flood the Earth! BWAHAHAHAHAHA! I realize that wasn't the context in the movie, but it could have absolutely been a Sunbow thing. |
05-06-2023, 12:42 PM | #7 |
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Except they did. Most people aren't us, and most people don't rate decade-old movies on RT. Nerds with axes to gring do though, and they do it in droves with fake accounts. That's why RT is mostly worthless for nerd properties.
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05-06-2023, 01:25 PM | #8 |
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Not according to Rotten Tomatoes. 48% of those who saw Retaliation didn't like it. While half of those who saw R.O.C. like it.
So the 75% of those who liked S.E. were fake accounts? Bruh, you're taking both sides of the argument and presenting a dual reality. Also, you're negating the fact that the JOE fandom is very small. There isn't enough of us to review bomb a movie the point to where it would negatively impact a movie. The fact of the matter is though the JOE fans can irrationally passionate about shit they're not going to take time out of their lives to review bomb a movie to forward some sort of weird ass agenda.
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Not according to Rotten Tomatoes. 48% of those who saw Retaliation didn't like it. While half of those who saw R.O.C. like it.
So the 75% of those who liked S.E. were fake accounts? Bruh, you're taking both sides of the argument and presenting a dual reality. Also, you're negating the fact that the JOE fandom is very small. There isn't enough of us to review bomb so the point to where it would negatively impact a movie. The fact of the matter is though the JOE fans can irrationally passionate about shit they're not going to take time out of their lives to review bomb a movie to forward some sort of weird as agenda.
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05-06-2023, 02:09 PM | #10 |
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Besides, back when the first two flicks were released, RT wasn't nearly as used as it is now, so a lot of the ratings for older films were done well after they were released. Very few people outside of toy nerds gives enough of a shit about Joe movies to rate them after the fact. The casual moviegoer just isn't likely to retroactively rate a film they didn't care about years later, but nerds are.
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