|05-12-2008, 12:20 AM||#11|
Comics--Around issue 80...
Cartoon--Either Arise, Serpentor Arise! or the movie...The DIC series was absolutely horrible...
I think the toys started getting bad when everything was ninja, and neon colors..But really things started down hill when you had new joes coming out who's primary specialty was one that someone else already had, ie:Repeater. We already had rocknroll and roadblock manning the heavy machine guns. Lifeline. We already had Doc. Charbroil. We already had blowtorch. And why did we need guys like crankcase, who's specialty was driving? Wouldn't a spec ops team train its members to drive all types of vehicles?
|05-12-2008, 01:06 AM||#12|
Join Date: Nov 2007
gi.joe + streetfighter gah!
|05-12-2008, 01:06 AM||#13|
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Over the rainbow where your mom is at son
|05-12-2008, 04:28 AM||#14|
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Cobra Island
For the cartoon, Executive Meddling was the cause of it's downfall by requesting a Cobra King, and then a Cobra Organization that is superior to Cobra Command (it must have been all the coke the as getting snorted back in the 80's?). Buzz Dixon tried to do some damage-control to keep Cobra Commander as a founding member of Cobra by having Serpentor as a clone, but it all fell apart with Cobra-La. The movie was altered to cut down on the violence after everyone was shocked by the death of Optimus Prime (yes, Duke was supposed to die) After the movie, DIC got the right to continue the cartoon, but it just sucked more the words can describe! After that, someone else made G.I. Joe Extreme, which was just gayer then the Rambo cartoon! Then Sigma Six was all flashy anime action and nothing else to make it worth watching! (like all the recent Transformers shows)
For the comics, all the Super Ninja Squads in the 90's cheapen G.I. Joe to something akin to the Power Rangers, and it foreshadowed everyone else. Much like X-Men, the characters became less human, and more like exaggerated action heroes (with the exaggerated proportions 9_9).
For the toylines, the early 90's had some sets that even Hasbro is tying to forget about. Captain Planet and the Eco-Warriors. Mighty Morphin Ninja Force. That milking of Jurassic Park with the Dino Hunters. That expression of the 90's cocaine culture with the Star Brigade, and the ironic Drug Elimination Force :P. Also, all the large, exaggerated pink & neon weapons, shameless repaints, the downplay of a military backround (or any background for that matter), and the general decline of the supporting fiction. And the Street Fighter tie-in was more retarded the movie they where based on! Fortunately, the line had an incredible Renaissance in the late 90's and onwards with all of the all of the newer toys and the retro toy-lines.
In a nut-shell, the 90's just sucked for G.I. Joe!
|05-12-2008, 04:41 AM||#15|
Join Date: May 2008
It jumped the shark for me way before the ninjas. When they killed CC off in the comics and had Fred running around for all those years, te interest every month became harder and harder to maintain. Last few issues I got were the cobra island saga, and once Serpentor died, I was happy enough to stop.
Although I did try to pick it back up when they brought him back, but yeah, then came the ninjas.
The TV show, once CC became a snakeman, I ran as fast as I could.
|05-12-2008, 11:59 AM||#16|
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Midway, PA
The whole Battle Force 2000 seemed to be the first nail in the coffin. The last nail was Sgt. Savage.
Or was the Fridge the first nail? Everyone makes bad decisions, but when there were complete off-shoots that were bad ideas, I think that was when the line started to tank. Test markets be damned - just give the hardcore fans what they want.
|05-12-2008, 12:21 PM||#17|
Eternal F'n Toys R Us Kid
Join Date: Apr 2008
I'd have to say the start of the 90s....Neon colored figures, the BIZZARE vehicles....At least on the JOEs part. I can see experimentally strange vehicles for Cobra and rationalise it (MARS prototypes)...Though there were exceptions....(INCINERATORS!!!! Just gotta convieniantly lose that wierd catapult doohicky)
But the JOEs should have been basic. I think the Hammer was the best vehicle post 90s.
Comics...The whole Benzeheen affair (yeah yeah, I flubbed the spelling) was the last good storyline. I was miffed that they rubbed out some old members, but it made it more realistic and not the blue and red laser BS of the toon....Oh look a parachute! Someone's jet is going to get blown up!
I did enjoy the movie...It would have been cooler with the Lala's edited out.
But, it's a toy line directed at kids 5 and up...so they have to cater to the fans who are in that target range...lil kids who don't know any better, and parents who have headaches from listening to said kids whining about how he really wants a Robo JOE!
|05-12-2008, 12:36 PM||#18|
Side Show GI Joe Fan
Join Date: Aug 2007
I would say that it happened with Crystal Ball, Croc Master, and Raptor.
|05-12-2008, 05:51 PM||#19|
Cobra Sith Lord
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Santa Clarita, CA
I'd say it completely jumped the shark after the 1991 wave.
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