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03-16-2008, 02:30 PM | #11 |
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If you're only looking to get the Acrylic cases, then you should try Wholesalecases (Scroll down to see their cases for $10.95)
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03-16-2008, 03:46 PM | #12 |
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please dont comment on the affiliations between cloud city and AFA unless actual facts are in hand to prove those accusations
My statement was that I also heard rumors regarding AFA & Cloud City. Followed by I don't concern myself with them, as they are only rumors. The fact is that the original owner of Cloud City founded AFA. Is that not fact? No accusations were ever made by me. Last edited by Da_Last_2_Walk; 03-16-2008 at 03:58 PM.. |
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03-16-2008, 05:43 PM | #13 |
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Yeah, I hear ya on that Da, I didn't put Cloud City on my list of ppl to hate because of your comment. I may just get the cases. I have some nice un-punched pieces Bludd, Destro , St8 Arm S.E. , and really nice Baroness , Firefly, and others . I bought them for the card art but I could deal with the 25th filling that gap now. I have just heard more bad than good and wanted some other views. I'm not sure who made them the "authority" on grading figures but I'm sure others are kicking themselves for not thinking of it first. I just find some of the criteria a little whacky . But again, they have the grading thing monopolized so its them or nothing if I choose to do it. Didn't someone send them an almost empty Grayskull box and they graded it ?
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03-16-2008, 08:02 PM | #14 |
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Yeah, I hear ya on that Da, I didn't put Cloud City on my list of ppl to hate because of your comment. I may just get the cases. I have some nice un-punched pieces Bludd, Destro , St8 Arm S.E. , and really nice Baroness , Firefly, and others . I bought them for the card art but I could deal with the 25th filling that gap now. I have just heard more bad than good and wanted some other views. I'm not sure who made them the "authority" on grading figures but I'm sure others are kicking themselves for not thinking of it first. I just find some of the criteria a little whacky . But again, they have the grading thing monopolized so its them or nothing if I choose to do it. Didn't someone send them an almost empty Grayskull box and they graded it ?
I'm a collector and I support AFA. Has AFA made mistakes; yes; but that doesn't mean everything they grade are mistakes. People will tell you about the one bad experience they had, but not the 50 good experiences they had. I give Tom props for coming up with AFA. I trust buying an AFA item over a MOSC item. At least I know it wasn't resealed or touched up with marker. |
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03-17-2008, 12:09 AM | #15 |
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I didnt take it as if you guys were slagging AFA or others either.
I don't use AFA or anything and don't know the exact history wether good or bad, I just know that like CGC, they do have a monopoloy on the market. This is only because towards (as far as I know) like CGC, they are the only game in town when it comes to grading. Being the only game means your word is god to collectors/fans. Until someone decides to start up a similer company to compete with or be the alternitive then I dont think there should be many complaints towards AFA. As I've said before, unlike CGC AFA dosent hinder the hobby of collecting moc/mib toys. AFA as far as I am concerned is another option for collectors to stroe and display thier collection and ensure that it lasts a very long time and there is nothing wrong with that in the least. As far as the empty grayskull box goes, as I understand it they also grade cards/boxes as well. I know I have seen a few Star Wars cards on the link DA sent me over at his thread. |
03-17-2008, 12:21 AM | #16 |
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The cases themselves are pretty easy to get from your local craft store and if you're keen with Photoshop and have a label maker you can forge those AFA stickers to whatever grade you feel like they deserve. Unless you're looking to sell those off I wouldn't bother getting them graded.
Personally I'd forge it since there's no regulation in the "toy grading" market.
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03-17-2008, 12:35 AM | #17 |
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I didnt take it as if you guys were slagging AFA or others either.
I don't use AFA or anything and don't know the exact history wether good or bad, I just know that like CGC, they do have a monopoloy on the market. This is only because towards (as far as I know) like CGC, they are the only game in town when it comes to grading. Being the only game means your word is god to collectors/fans. Until someone decides to start up a similer company to compete with or be the alternitive then I dont think there should be many complaints towards AFA. As I've said before, unlike CGC AFA dosent hinder the hobby of collecting moc/mib toys. AFA as far as I am concerned is another option for collectors to stroe and display thier collection and ensure that it lasts a very long time and there is nothing wrong with that in the least. As far as the empty grayskull box goes, as I understand it they also grade cards/boxes as well. I know I have seen a few Star Wars cards on the link DA sent me over at his thread. I wanted to know what you meant by CGC hindering comic collecting. I only collect CGC 9.6/9.8 White Page Hulks. Is there something I should know? As far as I know, AFA doesn't grade open boxes unless the figure inside is sealed to a bubble, example: Transformer car & jets. For them to grade a Grayskull, the item would have to be factory sealed on both ends, never opened. |
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03-17-2008, 01:24 AM | #18 |
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CGC hinders comic collecting because comic are a visual medium between words and pictures and it seals up the books inside the case never to be read/art appreciated again.
Honestly the biggest enjoyments to collecting comics is that you get to read these really great storeis and look over the artwork especially if its something you love and eve nmore if it's something you may never get the chance to see/touch/read ever. For example: I have a copy of amazing spider-man #2 and part of the allure for me isn't just that I LOVE comics but the fact that, how often can you hold a copy of amazing spider-man 2 in your hands? It, to me, is like owning history. I feel that CGC is basically just a money scam as literally ANY book suddenly becomes worth much more then it should actually be worth and thus CGC is also just about people who are looking for the quick buck much like the early 90's. When it comes to toys, AFA isn't covering anything up really. You can see everything just fine in those cases and still love and appreciate it. I don't know if I explained it properly or if you understand what I mean or where I'm coming from but I hope you do. I'm not going to sit here and tell you to crack open those CGC cases and "let your comics breath" or tell you that how you choose to collect is wrong. It is your choice and your much more then free to collect CGC comics as you see fit and I wish you all the success with doing so and would even love to see pics of your collection (hey, I AM a comics fan remember lol) I just simply feel that CGC hinders the collecting of comics, a visual medium. |
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CGC hinders comic collecting because comic are a visual medium between words and pictures and it seals up the books inside the case never to be read/art appreciated again.
Honestly the biggest enjoyments to collecting comics is that you get to read these really great storeis and look over the artwork especially if its something you love and eve nmore if it's something you may never get the chance to see/touch/read ever. For example: I have a copy of amazing spider-man #2 and part of the allure for me isn't just that I LOVE comics but the fact that, how often can you hold a copy of amazing spider-man 2 in your hands? It, to me, is like owning history. I feel that CGC is basically just a money scam as literally ANY book suddenly becomes worth much more then it should actually be worth and thus CGC is also just about people who are looking for the quick buck much like the early 90's. When it comes to toys, AFA isn't covering anything up really. You can see everything just fine in those cases and still love and appreciate it. I don't know if I explained it properly or if you understand what I mean or where I'm coming from but I hope you do. I'm not going to sit here and tell you to crack open those CGC cases and "let your comics breath" or tell you that how you choose to collect is wrong. It is your choice and your much more then free to collect CGC comics as you see fit and I wish you all the success with doing so and would even love to see pics of your collection (hey, I AM a comics fan remember lol) I just simply feel that CGC hinders the collecting of comics, a visual medium. Just like comic books were meant to be read, toys were meant to be played with. Even though the toys can be seen in an AFA case, they are not able to be held or played with. So I see them as both being the same. Both CGC comics and AFA toys are placed in cases to preserve their condition. Just like a comic that has been CGC graded, a toy that is AFA graded instantly becomes worth more than the same toy MOSC. A comic is worth what somebody is willing to pay. If I buy a comic for $5, send it in to get CGC graded for $15, then sell the new CGC graded comic for $75, how did I scam somebody? I have a solution to cracking open those CGC cases. I'm working on having 2 sets of the Hulk series. One set that is all 9.6/9.8 White Pages, and one set that is just a readable copy. That way I can hold the comic and enjoy the story/artwork. I will post a picture of my entire CGC Hulk collection. I"ve only been collecting CGC Hulks for about 6 months, so my collection is small. I appreciate your views and offer you mine. |
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03-17-2008, 12:56 PM | #20 |
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Wow, two people with different views/opinions on a matter having a civilized discussion on hisstank?!?..who knew? lol
(sorry bit of a jab to those on here who preach about how "wrong" some peoples collecting habits are. I know 99.9% of us are civilized normals back on topic) I understand your point about the toys being meant to be played with and how it is similer to CGCing a comic.I am a moc collector and rarely buy 2 sets of figures so I honestly forgot about this point. Yeah kinda silly of a point to forget/overlook but when all you see is moc around the house you don't think of the basic idea that yes, toys are meant to be opened (if that makes any sense). As far as the scaming thing, I didn't mean you were in fact scamming anyone ( but I'm sure you didn't take it that way and were just using it as an example of the hike in value once a comic is CGC'd and re-sold). Basically, and I don't know if you'd agree but don't you ever see some CGC'd comics and think "Sorry, there is just no way that comic should ever be worth that much." But yes it is, and I believe/agree, things are worth whatever the buyer is willing to pay. Though if you did want to get into the nitty gritty Wizard magazine honestly does scam people (and have heard some reports of CGC doing the same/having knowledge of it vis a vi : running a ruler down the spine of the book to lower the grades) and thats honestly, wrong to do. I'm sure if you looked around you could find reports (heck just look at the whole death of captain america buisness that happened recently) but I think this last paragraph is all getting a bit to far off topic. Basically, I guess my view would be that AFA (though I have no ill will towards it and still think the display cases are cool) is the lesser of 2 evils and more understandable/takes less away from collectors than CGC. Cool to know that you have found a way to still collect the way you want AND enjoy your Hulk books all at the same time. So what made you decide to collect Hulk and what in particuler are you collecting? Major events/Milestones or are you just trying to get the whole run? |
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