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12-21-2009, 10:18 AM | #11 |
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You can't even get collectors to quit paying high prices from thieves and scalpers on eBay just so they can say they had the figure/vehicle first when it will be at retail a couple of months later. You really think you can get a collector to wait until a retailler may or may not put items on sale or clearance?
With the exception of the single figures, I waited the vehicles out, and now I'm getting them for half price. It's a good bet if a very poular vehicle like the Star Wars BMF goes on sale, the ROC Pit that most hate will as well.
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12-21-2009, 10:22 AM | #12 |
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I try not to think of how much it cost to make these toys because it will anger me into stop collecting. I think of the 80's of how they made so many figures and the vehicles like a Skystriker for 15.00 and a bigass Hovercraft for around 20.00 and then we got the Flagg for 100.00. I mean come on. The same exact battle stations we bought in the 80's for 4.97 at Wal Mart are 15.00 now and I don't think it cost that much to make them. I can see paying 5.00 for a figure nowadays because they are better articulated and have better detail. But yeah, I try really hard not to think about then and now because I will save my money and spend on something really nice for myself besides plastic crack.
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12-21-2009, 10:29 AM | #13 |
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Remember that's when we where still on the gold standard. The USA was still the bankers of the world and we had the largest manufacturing infrastructure. Plus we were leading the world in education, science and health care. Outsourcing is really a short term lie. It's a pyramid get rich scam. For long term health of anything it's always cheaper to do things in house. There has been a few studies done that took all of this into account and adjusted the numbers to todays economy and the numbers were not really that far off. I would gladly find them and link them. But I'm about to go to bed so maybe someone else might like to do that. Please. |
12-21-2009, 10:38 AM | #14 |
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Sounds about right for the making of the product, but missing ALOT of other things that go into determining the final price. Can't just say, it costs 1-2 bucks to make and ship the figure and then they mark-up from there. Technically, it's true, but that mark-up isn't pure profit.
Hasbro's end: employee salaries, health insurance, manufacturing insurance, facility maintenance, profit, advertising, misc. cost of doing business expenses and probably more Retailer's end: employee salaries, health insurance, manufacturing insurance, facility maintenance, profit, advertising, misc. cost of doing business expenses and probably more So all that needs to be factored in as well. All businesses do it, not just toy manufacturers. So it's not like they're some Evil Corporation laughing at all of us as they make 6 dollar profits from each figure. My company, I get billed out to the client at 3x my salary. But that sure as hell isn't all profit for the company, the difference between my bill rate and my salary. Probably marketing is the biggest user of most of the mark-up money. A good example, go to a bar, all those things sitting on the tables advertising different kinds of beer? That's given to the bar by the beer distributor, it's a form of advertisment. The money to produce those things, which generate no immediate return revenue and possibly may not generate any at all, that money has to come from somewhere. It's not to say that the figures/vehicles could be cheaper, they probably could by a buck or so and the companies still make a good profit, but it's no where near as horrible as people like to make it out to be.
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12-21-2009, 10:38 AM | #15 |
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See, and a while back, people gave me a hard time regarding my opions for Hasbro not creating more original toys for ROC. I don't know much about the subject matter, but I always figured that everything Hasbro did was to turn a profit.
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12-21-2009, 10:40 AM | #16 |
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This is true of most all manufactured products.
I used to work for Sunglass Hut our parent company Luxotica makes most of the Sunglasses we sold, except for Oakley and a couple of others. Their cost per frame was about ten to fifty cents depending yet we sold not a single pair for under $100 most of them were in the $150-300 range.
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12-21-2009, 10:42 AM | #17 |
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The only way we will ever see anything different from a toy company is if they never go public. An individually owned company can do a lot more of what it wants to do. Sometimes I think the Stock Market should never have existed but thats just an ignorant opinion.
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12-21-2009, 11:01 AM | #18 |
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Agreed 100%
Also...there is a reason most products are made in Asia....it will cost you a LOT more to manufacture in the US (2 to 4 times more). Quote:
Sounds about right for the making of the product, but missing ALOT of other things that go into determining the final price. Can't just say, it costs 1-2 bucks to make and ship the figure and then they mark-up from there. Technically, it's true, but that mark-up isn't pure profit.
Hasbro's end: employee salaries, health insurance, manufacturing insurance, facility maintenance, profit, advertising, misc. cost of doing business expenses and probably more Retailer's end: employee salaries, health insurance, manufacturing insurance, facility maintenance, profit, advertising, misc. cost of doing business expenses and probably more So all that needs to be factored in as well. All businesses do it, not just toy manufacturers. So it's not like they're some Evil Corporation laughing at all of us as they make 6 dollar profits from each figure. My company, I get billed out to the client at 3x my salary. But that sure as hell isn't all profit for the company, the difference between my bill rate and my salary. Probably marketing is the biggest user of most of the mark-up money. A good example, go to a bar, all those things sitting on the tables advertising different kinds of beer? That's given to the bar by the beer distributor, it's a form of advertisment. The money to produce those things, which generate no immediate return revenue and possibly may not generate any at all, that money has to come from somewhere. It's not to say that the figures/vehicles could be cheaper, they probably could by a buck or so and the companies still make a good profit, but it's no where near as horrible as people like to make it out to be.
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12-21-2009, 11:04 AM | #19 |
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12-21-2009, 11:31 AM | #20 |
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Oh my GOD!
A corporation is DARING to try to make as much money as they can? OH THE HUMANITY! Damn those bastards! We need to get rid of this "capitalism" business ASAP so we can drive the price of toys back down! PS: "If everyone refuses to buy at full price, the price will go down!" is naive baloney. If everyone refuses to buy at full price, Hasbro's more likely to alter the product in drastic ways (most likely at the demands of the retailers). Sure, it might be lower priced (though unlikely), but it probably will be more akin to "Sigma 6" than "25th Anniversary redux." If a product isn't selling reasonably well at "full price" than that product is a failure (especially if similar product continues to sell at the higher pricepoints), and retailers will drop their support for it like it's going out of style. Hasbro can make something else to try to sell at full price long before they'd give us "exactly what we want" at "exactly the price we want." Unless you can find some magic way to convince every toy collector, young and old and those that don't pay attention to toy boards on the internet, to stop buying ANY Hasbro products from ANY line at full price (nor any competing products from Mattel or anyone else at full price) the kind of "price drawdown" the OP claims will happen is a pipe dream. Last edited by Jmacq1; 12-21-2009 at 11:37 AM.. |
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