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07-21-2019, 02:42 AM | #11 |
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Are we assuming performance similar to a SR-71 simply because of the vague resemblance? Because I gotta tell you, the Night Raven has as much in common with the Blackbird as it does with the fictional FireFox. If it’s similar to the SR-71, then what is it’s mission role? It’s not suited for a fighter role, and would mostly be relegated to reconnaissance or deep strike with a VERY limited payload. The kind of payload that would make a conventional warhead strike impractical. In theory, your F-22/F-15/Foxbat with AMRAAM combo might be effective, but the speed and operational ceiling of an SR-71 would mean the fighters would have to be at altitude and ready to fire almost before it would be possible to know your Night Raven is coming. There’s a reason we haven’t lost one.
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07-21-2019, 04:11 AM | #12 |
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I always assumed the Night Raven was loosely based on the SR-71, even the drone is kind of a give away. However, the armament and usage in the comics lead one otherwise. Eh, fiction, what do ya do?
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07-21-2019, 09:54 AM | #13 |
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07-21-2019, 11:25 AM | #14 |
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I don't believe I have ever seen that movie, but yeah, it probably was influenced by multiple sources mixed together.
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07-21-2019, 03:50 PM | #15 |
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Ok, stop what you're doing and go watch Firefox, especially if you were an 80's Cold War kid.
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07-21-2019, 04:14 PM | #16 |
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I don't think Phantom X-9 would be match to the Night Raven.
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07-21-2019, 05:29 PM | #17 |
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Think in russian
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07-21-2019, 08:24 PM | #18 |
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07-23-2019, 11:53 AM | #19 |
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How can I pick a real world counter for the Night Raven s3p when I don’t know it’s capabilities?
Are we assuming performance similar to a SR-71 simply because of the vague resemblance? Because I gotta tell you, the Night Raven has as much in common with the Blackbird as it does with the fictional FireFox. If it’s similar to the SR-71, then what is it’s mission role? It’s not suited for a fighter role, and would mostly be relegated to reconnaissance or deep strike with a VERY limited payload. The kind of payload that would make a conventional warhead strike impractical. In theory, your F-22/F-15/Foxbat with AMRAAM combo might be effective, but the speed and operational ceiling of an SR-71 would mean the fighters would have to be at altitude and ready to fire almost before it would be possible to know your Night Raven is coming. There’s a reason we haven’t lost one. In other words, if the Night Raven is in fact mostly a recon jet (with a few short range air-to-air missiles and that funny airbrake rear gun mostly for self defense), then Joe's equivalent recon jet doesn't have to be able to shoot a Night Raven in order to do its job and be a good rival/counterpart. OTOH, what kind of plane could shoot down a Night Raven? I'm guessing some fast jet that is armed with very fast missiles. |
07-23-2019, 01:48 PM | #20 |
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Some more thoughts on the Raven, not including its G.I.Joe counterpart.
Having recently built my own custom modified Raven, I've spent a lot of time thinking about the Night Raven. I'm not familiar how it was represented in the cartoon because I never watched it. I grew up on the G.I.Joe comic. I never had the toy but I certainly wanted it. I tend to think of the Night Raven as a sort of "armed, simplified SR-71", that can fly high and fast, but I don't think it would be very maneuverable or agile. In the air-to-air role, I don't think a Night Raven would be sent up intentionally against another fighter. The Firebat, Hurricane, and Liquidator are all going to fare better up against a Mach 2 fighter. But the Raven could used as an interceptor, to take down bombers at long range. In this role, a Raven might come up against a fighter that was escorting those bombers. A Raven might be useful as a strike jet if it had more weapons capacity - that internal bay is so small and only has space for two small missiles. If it is flying deep into enemy territory on a strike or recon mission, it might come up against enemy fighters then too. But if the Night Raven does end up in the same airspace as a more maneuverable fighter (like say a Skystriker), it can probably just evade it through speed alone. I figure it launches its mini fighter or those funny underwing missile pods (which are probably much more agile than the Raven) to covers its escape - even if they don't shoot down the enemy fighter, they can surely buy enough time for the Raven to speed away and continue its mission. I do think it is interesting that the Raven is depicted in the comic without its mini jet, which was a big part of the appeal of the toy, and I think also largely without those mini missile pods under the wings. The story that had the Raven splashing down in the sea also dispensed with the two man lowering cockpit that was so characteristic of the toy - in fact there was that plot device with that opening canopy that could jam, which was why the Strato Viper kept a crowbar in the cockpit to prize his way out through the top (not the bottom). |
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