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02-02-2019, 06:19 PM | #1 |
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With Walmart running back the 80's Transformers, Super 7 issuing 80's style MOTU, Funko making 80's MOTU style Thundercats and even Target reissuing 80's style MLP and Strawberry Shortcake figures, why noting like that for GI Joe? I know Hasbro promised to never allow official Kenner style Star Wars figures (which sucks) after the ones they did in the 90's, but did they make a similar promise for GI Joe? Is the O-ring style to expensive to make?
I would gladly pay a high premium for O-ring style Joes that fit in with the 80's line, especially if they are compatible with the vehicles and play sets form that era. I know it would mean Duke, Snake Eyes, Storm Shadow etc.. reissued, but imagine Zap, Short-Fuze and Breaker with their unreleased V2 heads, Khaki Kwinn, Dr. Venom, Col. Sharpe, Mera etc.. from the cartoon and comic getting official releases that fit in with the 80's line. It's been a dream of mine for years and I am surprised someone has not tried to do it. Seems like it would make money unless the O-ring style cost is too prohibitive or the molds are deteriorated beyond use or lost like the Dinobots. |
02-02-2019, 08:51 PM | #2 |
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With Walmart running back the 80's Transformers, Super 7 issuing 80's style MOTU, Funko making 80's MOTU style Thundercats and even Target reissuing 80's style MLP and Strawberry Shortcake figures, why noting like that for GI Joe? I know Hasbro promised to never allow official Kenner style Star Wars figures (which sucks) after the ones they did in the 90's, but did they make a similar promise for GI Joe? Is the O-ring style to expensive to make?
I would gladly pay a high premium for O-ring style Joes that fit in with the 80's line, especially if they are compatible with the vehicles and play sets form that era. I know it would mean Duke, Snake Eyes, Storm Shadow etc.. reissued, but imagine Zap, Short-Fuze and Breaker with their unreleased V2 heads, Khaki Kwinn, Dr. Venom, Col. Sharpe, Mera etc.. from the cartoon and comic getting official releases that fit in with the 80's line. It's been a dream of mine for years and I am surprised someone has not tried to do it. Seems like it would make money unless the O-ring style cost is too prohibitive or the molds are deteriorated beyond use or lost like the Dinobots. Short answer: Because no one, outside of us fans, gives a shit. |
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02-05-2019, 09:45 AM | #3 |
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Also because many fans (and it's already a vastly diminished market), despite of nostalgia factor, prefer modern style figs. I was raised on late 80s/early 90s figs and yet I consider PoC to be the pinnacle of Joes.
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02-05-2019, 02:30 PM | #4 |
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Long answer: Most of the original tooling is deteriorated beyond use or lost (thanks Funskool!), so all new tooling would have to be created. That's expensive and Hasbro can't justify the cost because no one, outside of us fans, gives a shit. To give you an idea of the current state of the brand, the three people who have been responsible for keeping new Joe product trickling out anyway they could over the past several years have all been let go. There is currently no GI Joe brand team.
Short answer: Because no one, outside of us fans, gives a shit. Those of us who grew up in the 1980s with the ARAH line played with action figures really before home video game systems became popular. By the time Nintendo released, our generation was "too old" to play with toys. After the Nintendo NES, the home gaming industry just really took over. I remember Bob Osborne, Wizard Publications, saying in "Joe Kid on a Stingray" that Nintendo killed the bmx bicycle industry. Well, same can be said for action figures - UNLESS that action figure line has one heck of a succesful movie franchise (think Star Wars) behind it. I know from my experience, none of my boys have ever been as involved in action figures as I was, with maybe the exception of the Playskool Heroes & playsets - but that's mostly because of all the cool functions of the playset. Otherwise, my boys have either preferred Legos or video games. Now, think about the generation born in the 1980s who have always known Nintendo, Sega, and Playstation. Home video games have always been the norm for them. So, do they want to have to "pretend" play with action figures, or would they rather visualize the action through a video game? So, in my opinion, the trend of that generation is why action figure sales have dropped so drastically. However, I think there is a different trend rising where disgruntled parents who are frustrated over kids spending too much time on video games and ipads (see me raising my hand here?!), actually prefer their kids playing with actual toys. I for one, certainly learned my lesson with my older children (now college age) and do not let my younger children (elementary school) play on ipads and video games as much. I make sure they spend time using their own imagination playing with toys and action figures or even riding bicycles. But that's just my two cents. Jason
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02-06-2019, 02:06 PM | #5 |
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I think a lot of this has to do with a generational world-view.
Those of us who grew up in the 1980s with the ARAH line played with action figures really before home video game systems became popular. By the time Nintendo released, our generation was "too old" to play with toys. After the Nintendo NES, the home gaming industry just really took over. I remember Bob Osborne, Wizard Publications, saying in "Joe Kid on a Stingray" that Nintendo killed the bmx bicycle industry. Well, same can be said for action figures - UNLESS that action figure line has one heck of a succesful movie franchise (think Star Wars) behind it. I know from my experience, none of my boys have ever been as involved in action figures as I was, with maybe the exception of the Playskool Heroes & playsets - but that's mostly because of all the cool functions of the playset. Otherwise, my boys have either preferred Legos or video games. Now, think about the generation born in the 1980s who have always known Nintendo, Sega, and Playstation. Home video games have always been the norm for them. So, do they want to have to "pretend" play with action figures, or would they rather visualize the action through a video game? So, in my opinion, the trend of that generation is why action figure sales have dropped so drastically. However, I think there is a different trend rising where disgruntled parents who are frustrated over kids spending too much time on video games and ipads (see me raising my hand here?!), actually prefer their kids playing with actual toys. I for one, certainly learned my lesson with my older children (now college age) and do not let my younger children (elementary school) play on ipads and video games as much. I make sure they spend time using their own imagination playing with toys and action figures or even riding bicycles. But that's just my two cents. Jason |
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02-06-2019, 05:29 PM | #6 |
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With Walmart running back the 80's Transformers, Super 7 issuing 80's style MOTU, Funko making 80's MOTU style Thundercats and even Target reissuing 80's style MLP and Strawberry Shortcake figures, why noting like that for GI Joe? I know Hasbro promised to never allow official Kenner style Star Wars figures (which sucks) after the ones they did in the 90's, but did they make a similar promise for GI Joe? Is the O-ring style to expensive to make?
I would gladly pay a high premium for O-ring style Joes that fit in with the 80's line, especially if they are compatible with the vehicles and play sets form that era. I know it would mean Duke, Snake Eyes, Storm Shadow etc.. reissued, but imagine Zap, Short-Fuze and Breaker with their unreleased V2 heads, Khaki Kwinn, Dr. Venom, Col. Sharpe, Mera etc.. from the cartoon and comic getting official releases that fit in with the 80's line. It's been a dream of mine for years and I am surprised someone has not tried to do it. Seems like it would make money unless the O-ring style cost is too prohibitive or the molds are deteriorated beyond use or lost like the Dinobots.
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02-06-2019, 05:58 PM | #7 |
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Hasbro did try to bring back the O-ring in a limited fashion in the past and present set back in 2009.
https://news.hisstank.com/2009/07/12...-revealed-8678 I recall seeing several on clearance at Target. I don't know if it sold well or not but Hasbro did not do any others.
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02-07-2019, 01:12 AM | #8 |
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Hasbro did try to bring back the O-ring in a limited fashion in the past and present set back in 2009.
https://news.hisstank.com/2009/07/12...-revealed-8678 I recall seeing several on clearance at Target. I don't know if it sold well or not but Hasbro did not do any others. Guess the one I bought at regular price wasn’t enough for Target to go running back to Hasbro and demand more.
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02-07-2019, 11:12 AM | #9 |
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I seem to recall Hasbro scrapping plans for a few other "past & present" type figure sets around that time.
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03-19-2019, 04:31 AM | #10 |
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The tooling? Someone made the replica Gentle Giant figures without any problem and retro is in demand. Look at Star Wars & Transformers. I also don't recall any past verse present sets ever being popular. I am guessing here, but when you have a cross over, a lot of people only like half of the set. Like DC verse MOTU. I remember 12" GI Joe one and the Snow Job one at target. I didn't think snow job was very accurate and I wasn't interest in the modern figure (then). The same goes for the 12" sets. Also Snow Job is a pretty common figure and probably less popular. Then you have to figure in price point. Would you buy a set you are only half interested in? I think if they did a limited run of figures at Target for like $10, it would be a solid win.
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