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08-01-2018, 09:28 PM | #1 |
endlesssummerofthedamned
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This is a rough breakdown of how I envision Cobra to be organized in my own mind. Based mostly off of the troops that have seen production as figures, I've taken the liberty of combining some where they seemed to serve similar roles (the Incinerator Viper is an amalgamation of Toxo, Sludge and Heavy Water Vipers, for example), and expanded and created some new names where I thought there was a vacancy of certain roles. Like the real military, the blue shirt Cobra Troopers serve a variety of support roles and aren't necessarily front line combat soldiers - everything from cooks and clerks to supply and armory specialists - though they all go through basic combat training. They comprise probably greater than half the Cobra organization. The basic Cobra Officers manage the blue shirts. The Tele, Cyber, Data and Techno Vipers work both for the Command element as well as the Army, Air Force and Navy elements; depending on their abilities, the individuals can be assigned to a command position or attached to a field combat unit. The Science branch is sort of its own thing, covering territory similar to what the Army Corps of Engineers handle in the real world, as well as medical and other scientific research. Some might note that the B.A.T.s are not on this list; I categorize them as weaponry and not as their own military unit.
The rest is pretty self-explanatory. The Army includes soldiers as well as wheeled and tracked vehicles, the Air Force includes ground support, gliders, jets and helicopters, and the Navy includes marine forces and all watercraft and amphibious equipment. I tried to keep everything close to their original design (i.e. Snow Serpents are advanced from Eels, so they belong to the Navy), but I did change up some things (Hydro Vipers are a special naval force of the Army). I also gave all regular units the "Viper" surname, except for the elite combat units, which have the "Serpent" surname. I think it's a more formal way of keeping things organized. And some things may seem repetitive, especially within the Army Combat Engagement Forces group. But some of these are very specialized units prepared for highly unique arenas, such as the Rock Vipers and Summit Vipers. Rock Vipers are raider commandos that train in smaller scale vertical combat assaults, from sheer cliff faces to scaling buildings in urban environments, while the Summit Vipers are exclusively trained for low oxygen high elevation operations atop mountain peaks. Again, this is just how I envision Cobra to be organized. I'd like to establish a color-coded rank structure; like red Cobra sigils are for enlisted personnel, silver Cobra sigils are for non-commissioned officers, and gold are for officers - something like that. I'd also like to design individual unit emblems, but that's just me feeling a little ambitious at the moment. COBRA CENTRAL COMMAND FORCES -SUPPORT, COMMAND: --Cobra Troopers (Logistics & Administration, Enlisted) --Cobra Officers (Logistics & Administration, Officer) -SUPPORT, COMMAND & COMBAT: --Tele Vipers (Telecommunications Specialists) --Cyber Vipers (Information Technology Specialists) --Data Vipers (Technology Reconnaissance Specialists) --Techno Vipers (Maintenance Engineers) -SUPPORT, SCIENCE: --Medi Vipers (Medical Technicians) --Lab Vipers (Science Officers) --Hazard Vipers (Chemical Research Specialists) --Volcano Vipers (Geothermal Engineers) COBRA ARMY GROUND FORCES -ARMY, COMBAT ENGAGEMENT FORCES: --Combat Vipers (Infantry Troopers) --S.A.W. Vipers (Infantry Machine Gunners) --Alley Vipers (Urban Combat Assault Troopers) --Shock Vipers (Tactical Storm Troopers) --Invasion Vipers (Paratrooper Assault Commandos) --Jungle Vipers (Jungle Warfare Commandos) --Range Vipers (Long Range Reconnaissance Commandos) --Night Vipers (Covert Infiltration Specialists) --Sand Vipers (Desert Environment Survival Specialists) --Shadow Vipers (Covert Reconnaissance Specialists) --Rock Vipers (Mountain Assault Commandos) --Summit Vipers (Alpine Assault Commandos) -ARMY, SPECIAL SUPPORT: --Incinerator Vipers (C.B.R.N. Weapons Specialists) --Blast Vipers (Anti-Personnel Rocket System Specialists) --Frag Vipers (Ballistic Grenade Launcher System Specialists) --C.L.A.W.S. Vipers (Combat Light Armor Weapons System Operators) --H.E.A.T. Vipers (Anti-Armor Weapons Engineers) -MECHANIZED ARMY, WHEELED: --Sting Vipers (Wheeled Equipment Operators) --Motor Vipers (Fast Attack Combat Operators) --Street Vipers (Urban Assault Defense Operators) --Nitro Vipers (Mobile Artillery Defense Operators) -MECHANIZED ARMY, ARMORED: --H.I.S.S. Vipers (High Speed Tank Crewmen) --Track Vipers (Heavy Assault Tank Crewmen) --W.O.R.M.S. Vipers (Mobile Attack Command Tank Crewmen) COBRA AIR FORCES -AIR FORCE, GROUND FORCES: --Wing Vipers (Aviation Troopers) --Scout Vipers (Tactical Ready Engagement Commandos) --Laser Vipers (Laser Target Designation Specialists) --Flak Vipers (Artillery Air Defense Systems Operators) -AIR FORCE, SPECIAL SUPPORT: --Astro Vipers (Orbital Satellite Technicians) -AIR FORCE, AERIAL SUPPORT: --Vulture Vipers (Covert Reconnaissance Glider Pilots) --Air Vipers (Basic Support Pilots) -AIR FORCE, AERIAL COMBAT WINGS: --Accel Vipers (Basic Combat Pilots) --Flight Vipers (Advanced Class Combat Pilots) --Aero Vipers (Bomber-Fighter Pilots) --Vapor Vipers (V.T.O.L. Tactical Fighter Pilots) --Strato Vipers (Stealth Reconnaissance Fighter Pilots) --Star Vipers (Trans Atmospheric Attack Fighter Pilots) -AIR FORCE, AERIAL COMBAT WING, ROTARY: --Heli Vipers (Rotary Wing Combat Aircraft Pilots) --Gyro Vipers (Dual Rotary Wing Heavy Combat Aircraft Pilots) COBRA NAVAL FORCES -NAVAL MARINE FORCES: --Fleet Vipers (Naval Troopers) --Scuba Vipers (Combat Divers) --Para Vipers (H.A.L.O. Assault Paratroopers) --Swamp Vipers (Amphibious Reconnaissance Assault Troopers) -NAVAL COMBAT WATERCRAFT FORCES: --Sub Vipers (Submersible Watercraft Operators) --Lamprey Vipers (Hydrofoil Patrol Ship Operators) --Decimator Vipers (Coastal Defense Submersible Tank Operators) --Secto Vipers (Coastal Defense Amphibious Tank Operators) COBRA SPECIAL SELECT FORCES -ARMY SPECIAL FORCES: --Ice Serpents (Extreme Cold Weather Commandos) --Desert Serpents (Extreme Environment Commandos) --Hydro Serpents (Naval Assault Commandos) -AIR FORCE SPECIAL FORCES: --Devil Serpents (Elite Assault Unit Raiders) -NAVAL SPECIAL FORCES: --Eel Serpents (Elite Amphibious Special Warfare Operators) --Snow Serpents (Extreme Cold Weather Special Warfare Operators) --Sea Serpents (Elite Submersible Reconnaissance Operators) -COBRA COMMAND ELITE UNITS: --T.A.R.G.A.T.s (Trans Atmospheric Rapid Global Assault Troopers) --Blue Sentinels (Special Security Forces) --Crimson Guard (Internal Affairs & Covert Operations Specialists) --Crimson Shadow Guard (Deep Cover Infiltration & Humint Specialists) --Crimson Guard Immortal (Cobra Command Ceremonial Guard) --Elite Horsemen (Specialized Mobile Security)
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08-01-2018, 10:00 PM | #2 |
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I like this.im going to use it. great job. very well thought out.going to be very helpful
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08-02-2018, 04:34 AM | #3 |
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Thanks! I have a spread sheet with more detailed information, including what training they require and what roles are advanced from lower roles, and even the basic uniform colors.
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08-02-2018, 04:06 PM | #4 |
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I really like the detail you are using. For me, being prior military, it brings Cobra to life if a more realistic way. Chain of Command and training/advancement planning are real parts of these organizations. Well done.
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08-02-2018, 05:47 PM | #5 |
endlesssummerofthedamned
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Thanks! Yeah, I was always interested in the military as a kid, which was why I was and still am a Joe fan. And probably why I ended up enlisting in the Army after high school as a heavy wheel diesel mechanic. And now my daughter is in, stationed in South Korea.
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08-02-2018, 06:36 PM | #6 |
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Love the deep dive into Cobra. Makes me want to fill out more of my ranks!
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08-03-2018, 07:56 AM | #7 |
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I really like your setup, especially making Vipers and Serpents at different tiers. Also like the use of the different color sigils to mark rank. I know Cobra Commander has a red sigil but maybe he does that to symbolize that deep down he is "just one of the other grunts". If his troops can relate to him then at some level then that increases morale and their will to follow him no matter what.
The only nitpick I have is the use of the word "covert" on some of the Vipers. From my understanding "covert" means concealment of the identity of a person. I would think that Crimson Guards are the only unit that would partake in covert activities. I am wondering if the term "clandestine" (concealment of the operation) might be a better fit? Again a small nitpick on my part. And it looks like Para-Vipers and Lamprey's no longer require Eel training? I like that because I feel Lamprey's are the Cobra version of SWCC's (which does not require BUDS training like SEALs). It seems to me if a Lamprey has to go through the ranks of Cobra as a Viper, then an Eel then finally a Lamprey then it would take quite a while to fill that role. What happens when the ranks of Lamprey's gets reduced due to retirement, injury or attrition? And I also feel most Eels would probably be Military Free-Fall trained anyway so what is the point of having a HALO unit of them (Para-Vipers)? Real life Seals don't have a separate unit of MFF-qualified Seals separate from the rest. So nice job on separating them from Eels. Last edited by john shaft; 08-03-2018 at 08:12 AM.. |
08-03-2018, 12:21 PM | #8 |
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Me likey. I will probably incorporate parts of this to add to my verse. Getting the basic Air and Naval Troopers has always been an issue for me. Using the term "Viper" I had reserved for only troops who had gone through a specialized Viper school which I equate to something between Marine Boot Camp and Ranger SChool. Then that pool is used to populate the other specialized "Viper" ranks.. However the Air and Naval ranks using the term poses issues, and then there are seemingly equally elite units that don't have the "Viper" moniker. ie Shock Troopers, C.L.A.W.S.
You may have solved it with just adding the term Viper helps alot and the separate "Serpent" term for the super Elite troops is a cool twist.
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08-03-2018, 12:27 PM | #9 |
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So are any of these units renames? Tell us more?
--Shock Vipers (Tactical Storm Troopers) Combining Shock Troopers with the Flame throwing Shock-Vipers? --Summit Vipers (Alpine Assault Commandos) -AIR FORCE, GROUND FORCES: --Wing Vipers (Aviation Troopers) --Scout Vipers (Tactical Ready Engagement Commandos) -AIR FORCE, AERIAL SUPPORT: --Vulture Vipers (Covert Reconnaissance Glider Pilots) --Air Vipers (Basic Support Pilots) --Accel Vipers (Basic Combat Pilots) --Flight Vipers (Advanced Class Combat Pilots) --Fleet Vipers (Naval Troopers) --Scuba Vipers (Combat Divers) --Blue Sentinels (Special Security Forces)
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08-03-2018, 06:39 PM | #10 |
endlesssummerofthedamned
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I really like your setup, especially making Vipers and Serpents at different tiers. Also like the use of the different color sigils to mark rank. I know Cobra Commander has a red sigil but maybe he does that to symbolize that deep down he is "just one of the other grunts". If his troops can relate to him then at some level then that increases morale and their will to follow him no matter what.
The only nitpick I have is the use of the word "covert" on some of the Vipers. From my understanding "covert" means concealment of the identity of a person. I would think that Crimson Guards are the only unit that would partake in covert activities. I am wondering if the term "clandestine" (concealment of the operation) might be a better fit? Again a small nitpick on my part. And it looks like Para-Vipers and Lamprey's no longer require Eel training? I like that because I feel Lamprey's are the Cobra version of SWCC's (which does not require BUDS training like SEALs). It seems to me if a Lamprey has to go through the ranks of Cobra as a Viper, then an Eel then finally a Lamprey then it would take quite a while to fill that role. What happens when the ranks of Lamprey's gets reduced due to retirement, injury or attrition? And I also feel most Eels would probably be Military Free-Fall trained anyway so what is the point of having a HALO unit of them (Para-Vipers)? Real life Seals don't have a separate unit of MFF-qualified Seals separate from the rest. So nice job on separating them from Eels. And as of now, a lot of the terms defining each role are still very fluid. I altered several of them as I was writing the post out from my notes. What I like about sharing these ideas here on Hisstank is that I get feedback and ideas that can help me improve what I'm working on. I served in the Army for 6 years, but only as a mechanic in an engineer, aviation support and artillery companies. My daughter is in counterintelligence right now, and a lot of the operational things she's involved in she can't talk about too much - but I try to get some real world details of how that all works. Not that Cobra is anything remotely realistic. For a terrorist organization that large and well-funded to be built in this day and age with the way the world is... even in the 80's it was a stretch. Yes, the Para Vipers and Lamprey Vipers all progress from Scuba Vipers. The Eel Serpent candidates are selected from the Scuba Viper ranks or higher within the Naval branch, while the Snow Serpents are advanced from the Eel Serpents.
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