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08-03-2018, 07:17 PM | #11 |
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Me likey. I will probably incorporate parts of this to add to my verse. Getting the basic Air and Naval Troopers has always been an issue for me. Using the term "Viper" I had reserved for only troops who had gone through a specialized Viper school which I equate to something between Marine Boot Camp and Ranger SChool. Then that pool is used to populate the other specialized "Viper" ranks.. However the Air and Naval ranks using the term poses issues, and then there are seemingly equally elite units that don't have the "Viper" moniker. ie Shock Troopers, C.L.A.W.S.
You may have solved it with just adding the term Viper helps alot and the separate "Serpent" term for the super Elite troops is a cool twist. Quote:
So are any of these units renames? Tell us more?
--Shock Vipers (Tactical Storm Troopers) Combining Shock Troopers with the Flame throwing Shock-Vipers? --Summit Vipers (Alpine Assault Commandos) -AIR FORCE, GROUND FORCES: --Wing Vipers (Aviation Troopers) --Scout Vipers (Tactical Ready Engagement Commandos) -AIR FORCE, AERIAL SUPPORT: --Vulture Vipers (Covert Reconnaissance Glider Pilots) --Air Vipers (Basic Support Pilots) --Accel Vipers (Basic Combat Pilots) --Flight Vipers (Advanced Class Combat Pilots) --Fleet Vipers (Naval Troopers) --Scuba Vipers (Combat Divers) --Blue Sentinels (Special Security Forces) -Summit Vipers are an entirely new creation, advanced from Rock Vipers but suited to extremely higher elevations. -Wing Vipers I added just to create an entry-level Air Cadet. The way I see enlisting in Cobra's military is: if you have a specialized background, either military, police or other, you still have to be evaluated and attend an abbreviated basic training course. From there you can select what career path you prefer if you rate well enough. If you have no military background, you still have to go through BT and then serve as a Cobra Trooper blueshirt for a while. From there you'll have the opportunity to train and qualify for advancement into other slots within the organization. So if you want to join Cobra to fly aircraft but have no experience, you first must enlist as a blueshirt, then pass Aviation School to become a Wing Viper. From there you have several routes to go towards taking to the air. -Scout Vipers I saw as something else the Cobra Air Force needed: their own tactical assault team. Although it might be overkill, really. I mean, how large is Cobra realistically? I'm sure it would be just as easy to coordinate with the Army or Naval branches if the Air Force was in need of an assault force, but why not give them their own head knockers? -Vulture Vipers are a combination of Air Devils, Night Vultures and the Viper Glider Pilot. -Air Vipers are the troops that air getting their initial training on flying aircraft. Everything before them aside from the Vulture Vipers are ground-based forces. They are a combination of both the Air Vipers and Air Troopers. Naturally, there are levels within levels of advancement for some of the Viper troops, but most especially with the Air Vipers, because they will also serve as logistic air support once they achieve enough hours flying certain types of cargo/transport aircraft. -Accel Vipers I created as a replacement name for A.V.A.C., which never fit in with the rest of the Cobra Troop name structure. -Flight Vipers were originally Aero Vipers, but I changed it because it was too similar to Air Vipers. -Fleet Vipers are similar to the Wing Vipers; I needed an entry-level Navy Cadet position to serve a variety of branch-specific roles. -Scuba Vipers are based off the 25th Cobra Diver figure, and are akin to the Fleet Vipers as the Scout Vipers to the Wing Vipers. -Blue Sentinels are inspired by the Renegades Cobra Troopers, and are basically Cobra's own police force. I love these figures and I wanted them to serve a unique and necessary role in the Cobra organization.
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08-03-2018, 08:03 PM | #12 |
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So where do I go from here, once the list and structure is finalized? Ultimately, I'd like to sort out my collection of Cobra troops and categorize them into each slot. And obviously, that will require some customization. Which I unfortunately don't really have the time for. I have several vehicle customization projects that are in various stages of progress that I haven't even touched in a couple months because - no time. It's frustrating. If I didn't have a job and a life and other responsibilities I could just sit around fancy up my toys... Right?
Seriously though, I might try sketching out my ideas of what each trooper would look like in their respective basic uniforms based on the original figure designs. Then I'll go through my collection and start organizing and matching figures to my designs. I have a feeling that Marauder Inc. is going to end up getting a good bit of my money over that endeavor.
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08-03-2018, 09:05 PM | #13 |
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Very nice! But it makes me long for the early days of Cobra, when it was more about individual Cobra members, rather than hordes of faceless Vipers and so many vehicles.
Of course, they had to keep churning out new figures and vehicles to make money and keep the line going, but I preferred the early years, when it was more about Baroness, Bludd, Destro, Firefly, Zartan and Storm Shadow. It had more of a HYDRA feel, and less of a major army, even though they had the HISS, Rattler, and some other vehicles. A structure for those early years would be interesting to see! Unless they just met in a big shadowy room like SPECTRE or something, with hooded Cobra Commander at the end of a long table! |
08-03-2018, 09:36 PM | #14 |
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Very nice! But it makes me long for the early days of Cobra, when it was more about individual Cobra members, rather than hordes of faceless Vipers and so many vehicles.
Of course, they had to keep churning out new figures and vehicles to make money and keep the line going, but I preferred the early years, when it was more about Baroness, Bludd, Destro, Firefly, Zartan and Storm Shadow. It had more of a HYDRA feel, and less of a major army, even though they had the HISS, Rattler, and some other vehicles. A structure for those early years would be interesting to see! Unless they just met in a big shadowy room like SPECTRE or something, with hooded Cobra Commander at the end of a long table! I liked in the comics when Scar-Face distinguished himself from the regular Cobra Troopers. Or the characterization of the SAW-Viper from issue #109 that killed several veteran Joes in cold blood. Much like how Star Wars' "Clone Wars" series showed that every clone was a unique individual, and in fact strived to assert their individuality.
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08-04-2018, 08:51 AM | #15 |
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Yeah I always felt like Cobra needed an individual sharpshooter and a flamethrower specialist in it's early days, since Scrap-Iron was kind of like Cobra's version of Zap. Too many Vipers later on, not enough characters.
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08-04-2018, 06:11 PM | #16 |
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I am with you mistrelboy I really want to make sense of Cobra in a military organization setting. Heck this is what we talk about on Filecard more than anything.
I guess the first question is How Big is Cobra? If it gets over 20,000 that is larger than most standing armies. I figure there are terrorist cells who get fully funded by Cobra. I see these being run by various officers or Crimson Guardsmen. Although I see Cobra using the CGs for more White Collar Crimes, yet some also function as political commissars embedded with units to maintain Cobra values and dish out judgements as needed. Still the military wing of Cobra must function as a private military contractor organization. In my verse. Cobra Island(s) exist as a federation of states and have infiltrated almost every nation's government structures and financial systems, mostly through the Crimson Guardsmen. They have supplanted the UN as a peacekeeping force due to their excellent results. Cobra is able to swiftly restore order, and then they really start making money through various contracts to build roads, mines, move diamonds, weapons sales, military training you name it. This is how they have grown so large.
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08-04-2018, 06:25 PM | #17 |
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This is how I explain away the overlap of certain units that don't seem to have extra purpose. Like a SAW-Viper. Why are they a separate unit? How does Cobra differ from the rest of the world in small unit tactics? I haven't spent the time to flesh it out but I imagine Cobra inherited a bunch of Dutch KCTs who bonded together after Viper school and formed this special unit that just goes in heavy.
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08-04-2018, 07:06 PM | #18 |
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I am with you mistrelboy I really want to make sense of Cobra in a military organization setting. Heck this is what we talk about on Filecard more than anything.
I guess the first question is How Big is Cobra? If it gets over 20,000 that is larger than most standing armies. I figure there are terrorist cells who get fully funded by Cobra. I see these being run by various officers or Crimson Guardsmen. Although I see Cobra using the CGs for more White Collar Crimes, yet some also function as political commissars embedded with units to maintain Cobra values and dish out judgements as needed. Still the military wing of Cobra must function as a private military contractor organization. In my verse. Cobra Island(s) exist as a federation of states and have infiltrated almost every nation's government structures and financial systems, mostly through the Crimson Guardsmen. They have supplanted the UN as a peacekeeping force due to their excellent results. Cobra is able to swiftly restore order, and then they really start making money through various contracts to build roads, mines, move diamonds, weapons sales, military training you name it. This is how they have grown so large. And the CGs are definitely used to infiltrate the branches of government, foreign or domestic. Cobra would certainly need to have some operatives within the US as well as the UN, especially to make Cobra Island legit. I like the idea of Cobra acting as a paramilitary "peacekeeping" force for hire and being employed by other legitimate governments. That would be an excellent way for them to retain credibility while doing other incredibly underhanded things, as well as obtaining large amounts of military weapons technology and just becoming unstoppably wealthy.
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08-04-2018, 10:04 PM | #19 |
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That’s pretty impressive. My own ideas are much less comprehensive.
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08-05-2018, 07:09 AM | #20 |
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This is how I explain away the overlap of certain units that don't seem to have extra purpose. Like a SAW-Viper. Why are they a separate unit? How does Cobra differ from the rest of the world in small unit tactics? I haven't spent the time to flesh it out but I imagine Cobra inherited a bunch of Dutch KCTs who bonded together after Viper school and formed this special unit that just goes in heavy.
And certainly, those more specialized units would be used exclusively if the mission parameters required it. If you had to assault a mountain top research station that was extremely difficult to reach, you would probably want a team of about six Summit Vipers, which have undergone both basic Viper and Rock Viper training at the very least. And like the real military which tries to familiarize you with a wide variety of combat tasks (even if you're just a clerk or a cook), one or two individuals within the squad will have received something similar to both a combat lifesaver course and a radio operator course. Rock Viper training does include a basic demolitions course as well, so no need to try a jeopardize the mission by having a Techno Viper attempt a dangerous mountain ascent with little to no training if something needs to be blown up. But there would be a lot of cross-training opportunities available to those motivated troops that wished to expand their experience. So it's conceivable that a Techno Viper could be Summit Viper qualified, and it would probably be encouraged by the higher command elements. That way when a specialized team needs to be assembled for unconventional missions, they would have all the tools in the box, so to speak.
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