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07-16-2018, 09:20 AM | #21 |
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Does anybody have more screen caps of the gun?
The figures linked to earlier have grease guns, 1000%. But to me....idk. I am not convinced the gun resembles any real life firearm any more than, say, various bullpup rifles resemble each other. The cobra rifle certainly has some broad similarities to wwii era smgs, but remember: it is NOT a law of logic that a joe/Cobra gun must be a real world design, and therefore must be exactly the thing it is most similar to, regardless of whether the degree of similarity is notably higher to one than others. That’s a bad premise. They can be their own thing, a pastiche of real world stuff plus artistic license. IMO that’s what the Joe gun is, too. Last edited by books; 07-16-2018 at 09:23 AM.. |
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Images aren't easy to find.
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This thread reminds me of the ancient question, “which came first: the chicken or the egg?” Aristotle claimed that the chicken and the egg both had always existed and went infinitely back in time. Maybe the same applies to G.I. Joe and the accessories.
Since the toy line’s creation in the 1960’s, the accessories have been created by artists using real world weapons. Norman Jaques and Sam Speers borrowed the real items and vehicles from the Providence National Guard Armory to create an accurate scale for these items to the action figure they were creating. When Bob Prupis relaunched G.I. Joe in the 1980’s, artists/designers such as Ron Rudat and other did a lot of research, like going to the Natick Army Labs in Natick, Massachusetts. They also purchased magazines of worldwide arms manufacturers to become knowledgeable of the latest and greatest in arms of that time. They started to design figures based on this research, and also using his own knowledge of military history. Regarding the accessories, he said they took bits and pieces from real weapons and made their own, but they couldn't put too much detail into those either. G.I. Joe became more collector focused in the 2000’s, with far more detailed accessories more closely resembling their real world counterparts than they had previously done since the 1960’s-70’s. Because the South Korean Sunbow animators didn’t use the Eastern Bloc weapons which Hasbro had created, they used more generic laser weapon small arms for the Cobra Troopers as seen in a few frames in this thread. It wasn’t until 2008 that Hasbro went back and made a highly detailed toy accessory as a stand-in for the infamous laser submachine gun used by Cobra in the past 1980’s Sunbow episodes. The 2008 Flint (v.13) action figure was released on a nostalgic card back which had on the front upper right corner an advertisement stating “From the G.I. Joe cartoon series”. Hasbro had fully intended this scoped U.S. M3A1 submachine gun to become the new stand-in for the laser submachine gun of past animated episodes. Inversely, Ron Rudat developed the XMLR-3A rifle appearance based on photographs of historic weapons he admired from his father’s period of service in the Marines. This toy item was used by the Sunbow animators frequently as the G.I. Joe laser rifle for nearly all good guy forces for a couple years’ worth of cartoon episodes. So in answering the original poster’s question, the Cobra weapon went from animated fantasy to a reality weapon sculpt, while the G.I. Joe weapon went from weapon sculpt based on reality to and often-used animated fantasy drawing. “Chicken or the egg?”
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The bigger question is: Why can't I buy a stack of them from Marauders?
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I thought he was working on these?
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I would buy a ton of these from Marauder if they looked just like the cartoon version.
Regarding Destro, I always thought his version 3 figure's rifle was a good match, except for the clip. It was only in the last few years that I realized that Duke's original card art shows him holding the XMLR-3A rifle and not the "Pulverizer" submachine gun that was included with him. I wonder if that is one of the reasons the XMLR-3A became the main toon rifle, considering Duke was the star of the first mini-series. That and the fact that it was designated a laser rifle, which is what they were using in the cartoon.
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There used to be JoeToonArchive.com by Shogi, but it appears it’s no longer online. I wonder if he put the images somewhere. A really awesome resource. |
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Thank you jscott and playful, it is good to have confirmation of how things used to be!
As for Marauders, hell yeah! |
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