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View Poll Results: The 608th Greatest G.I. Joe Character of all Time! | |||
Black Ice | 9 | 31.03% | |
Dreadhead Otis | 10 | 34.48% | |
George Lansberg | 0 | 0% | |
Dreadhead Cletus | 2 | 6.90% | |
Dr. Vandermeer | 2 | 6.90% | |
Iguanus | 2 | 6.90% | |
Mariner | 1 | 3.45% | |
Dreadhead Vance | 0 | 0% | |
Dreadhead Joe-Bob | 0 | 0% | |
Lobisomem / Werewolf | 3 | 10.34% | |
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08-10-2017, 01:54 AM | #51 |
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My statement on comic sales is to say they've been in a state of decline for over 20 years. Of course they go up and down during that time, but the overall trend is that sales are still lower than they were in the early to mid 90s.
Source on comic book sales, Washington Post... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.4dd6fc0ec84a "According to leading comic-book sales analyst John Jackson Miller, who runs ComiChron, a blog on comic sales, unit sales of the top 300 comics were down for 15 years — some years significantly — after a high in 1997." Comichron: Yearly Comic Book Sales As you can see here the overall profit (which is all that matters to corporations) has increased every year in every category except for the top 300 books. And about half-way down the page there's a useful side-by side chart of Diamond's (the biggest distributor's) estimates of monthly sales comparing total sales with the top 300. As recently as 2009, there was only 4 million a month made off of non-top-300 comics. Now there's a little over 10 million a month. (the amount has increased each year over the 8 years of data available). That shows that the market is more spread out, which makes looking only at sales of the top 300 misleading as overall sales are in fact increasing in a dollar value (there aren't unit numbers there I'm afraid) (Side note, when did JJM stop writing comics (and novels) and start analysing sales? That's a bit of a change for him.) Also coincides with a much weaker period of novel sales as well interestingly. Seems there was a move away from and then back to print media in a way. |
08-10-2017, 02:16 AM | #52 |
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I used to live in Asia. You couldn't go anywhere without hearing that song. I got to miss the American Duck Dynasty craze. So win win for me.
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08-10-2017, 02:19 AM | #53 |
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What part of Asia? Do they really sell panties in vending machines there?
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08-10-2017, 02:27 AM | #54 |
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Yes
S. Korea No that's in Japan. They are the sex perverts.* *( but if you look below the surface, even though porn and prostitution are illegal, it's all over the place. Like every country.)
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08-10-2017, 02:30 AM | #55 |
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Porn is illegal in Japan? As that where they watch that vomit porn and put a black bar covering the eyes?
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08-10-2017, 02:32 AM | #56 |
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He's got so many different ways of counting numbers there that I can't really figure it out too easily. I was hoping to see more 1980s and 1990s numbers than he has in those lists. From what Jim Shooter has said, the comic industry almost died in the 1970s, and then started a big boom that just kept growing until the bust in the mid-90s. There was one earthquake after another through that time period with Star Wars, Wolverine, Punisher, Superman 1978, G.I. Joe, Dark Phoenix, Frank Miller's Daredevil and Dark Knight Returns, Watchmen, Byrne's Man of Steel, Batman 1989, Spider-Man's wedding, Todd McFarlane, Venom, Hobgoblin, Cable, Lobo, TMNT, Image, Valiant, Aliens Vs. Predator, Harley Quinn, Bane, Alex Ross, Secret Wars, Crisis, Infinity Gauntlet...then since the late '90s nothing much new and epic seems to have happened. And some of the most awful stuff ever happened instead like evil Hal Jordan, Spider Clones and Symbiote overkill. It's not hard to imagine comics are doing a little better in the last 5 years with the superhero movie boom but it also looks like the tail is wagging the dog. And instead of new ideas, we just get mash-ups and "reimagined" characters.
I'd like to separate out sales numbers on new publications vs. the back catalog stuff, more than separating out by whether it's print or online. What I'm interested in is if people are buying the current stories as opposed to buying reprints from decades ago. Last edited by JediJones; 08-10-2017 at 02:36 AM.. |
08-10-2017, 02:44 AM | #57 |
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No in Korea. I don't know if things have changed in the last few years, but there used to be volunteer groups that would patrol the Internet looking for things to protect the children from.
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08-10-2017, 02:49 AM | #58 |
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He's got so many different ways of counting numbers there that I can't really figure it out too easily. I was hoping to see more 1980s and 1990s numbers than he has in those lists. From what Jim Shooter has said, the comic industry almost died in the 1970s, and then started a big boom that just kept growing until the bust in the mid-90s. There was one earthquake after another through that time period with Star Wars, Wolverine, Punisher, Superman 1978, G.I. Joe, Dark Phoenix, Frank Miller's Daredevil and Dark Knight Returns, Watchmen, Byrne's Man of Steel, Batman 1989, Spider-Man's wedding, Todd McFarlane, Venom, Hobgoblin, Cable, Lobo, TMNT, Image, Valiant, Aliens Vs. Predator, Harley Quinn, Bane, Alex Ross, Secret Wars, Crisis, Infinity Gauntlet...then since the late '90s nothing much new and epic seems to have happened. And some of the most awful stuff ever happened instead like evil Hal Jordan, Spider Clones and Symbiote overkill. It's not hard to imagine comics are doing a little better in the last 5 years with the superhero movie boom but it also looks like the tail is wagging the dog. And instead of new ideas, we just get mash-ups and "reimagined" characters.
I'd like to separate out sales numbers on new publications vs. the back catalog stuff, more than separating out by whether it's print or online. What I'm interested in is if people are buying the current stories as opposed to buying reprints from decades ago.
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08-10-2017, 02:49 AM | #59 |
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Add Metal Head (Hurley), Harpoon and Ballistic
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08-10-2017, 09:35 AM | #60 |
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And even then it's hard to correctly guess readership numbers. The Star Wars #1 when it was first released under Marvel/Disney is a great case study. The sales numbers in pure volume and dollar numbers blew everything out of the water. Except they didn't break down sales among the eighty (yes 80!) variant covers from that release. Many collectors buying two of each. The following month sales flagged drastically to below pre-Disney before picking up again (though with a standard 2 covers per month possibly inflating that total also). Same problem with the back catalogue. Star Wars fans have asked for years for the Russ Manning newspaper strips to be reprinted including Wookiee World and the Constantica Affair (which had never been collected). There have been two collections released in the last 6 months and another due by the end of this year. So it's hard to get real sales figures for something vs people who buy multiples. |
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