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06-27-2009, 07:08 PM | #71 |
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06-27-2009, 07:18 PM | #72 |
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I think Keel Haul is actually in charge.
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06-27-2009, 07:23 PM | #73 |
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the way I see it the members of the Joe team are not in the military to get stars on their shoulders. They are there for the mission. Duke passed on promotion time and again to make sure he was in the thick of the battle. Plus if Hawk says listen to him then you listen.
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06-27-2009, 07:26 PM | #74 |
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GI JOE is an elite special mission "force" it happens to pull from all branches of service and answers to none of them, its a special access program/special mission unit. it choses its members and assigns them duty positions irrespective of rank, just like in the real military duty position can trump rank, the MFIC is the MFIC and he derives his authority by virtue of rank, grade, or position.
i work in a selective lil niche myself, we all call each other by first names and wear pretty much whatever the hell we want, but at the end of the day we all know who is in charge, sometimes if the guy is a SME in the AO he will trump other senior ranking members as the team lead/team sgt...sometimesits a DOD civilian! its just how it is. |
06-27-2009, 09:35 PM | #75 |
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Technically speaking, just off of the rankings, Flint outranks Duke. Falcon outranks Duke too. It's an easy way to recall:
Enlisted are lowest rank. E-1 is lowest, E-8 would be much higher ranked. Warrant Officers outrank Enlisted, but are, technically, below Officers. Even a rank 1 WO is still, technically, higher ranked than an E-8. WOs are mostly in command only of their own specialty. For pilots, their own jet, for example. Officers outrank Enlisted and WOs. Even an O-1 would outrank ALL Enlisted and WOs, and IN THEORY, be able to order them all around. Highest number has higher rank, again. So an 0-8 ranks over everyone from O-1 to O-7 AND all of the Enlisted and WOs. HOWEVER! Enlisted people of suitably high rank MAY be in charge of other officers. NCOs can, and do, outrank Officers, and NCOs are in the Enlisted ranks. So long as you are operating in that NCO's theatre of operations, he outranks you. There's an NCO in Iraq right now, he's an E-8, that is third in command of the forces there. He answers ONLY to the two generals above him (or is it a general and admiral, whatever, two of the real big wigs). He orders around everyone, Colonel, Lt., whatever, so long as they are in Iraq. Duke is basically that guy, but for the GI Joe team. So yes, Hawk, Duke, Flint would be appropriate. Or rather, Hawk, Duke, then whoever has the highest Officer rank next, then go on down from there, then go down from Enlisted after that. The captain of a ship, by the by, has total command of his ship. It doesn't matter what his official rank is, or what ship he's assigned to, he has the command. If an Admiral comes off his aircraft carrier to hang out on an E-4's garbage scowl (like the navy uses those, but it's just an example), and the Admiral smokes when orders are no smoking on the ship, the E-4 has the right to smash the Admiral's cigarette in any way he so chooses, and can't get punished for it. |
06-27-2009, 11:55 PM | #76 |
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Just a little tid bit on the Role of First Sgts and how important they are:
First Sergeant Commander Relationships The First Sgt is usually the 2nd most important man on the Company. Like a Sgt Major is for a Battalion or the Senior NCO of a Platoon (Think Barnes from Platoon) GIJoe just doesn't have any real Infantry officers besides Hawk. Grid-Iron got a shot in the later cartoons, And Falcon had a shot in the Marvel run. But Flint and Duke may almost be equals. Here's Flint's Job Prerequisites: Army Warrant Officer Jobs - MOS 180A - Special Forces Warrant Officer Here's Duke's: Special Forces Senior Sergeant - MOS 18Z Both would most likely would also have been Special Forces Weapons Sgts (18B) and then A Special Forces Assistant Operations and Intelligence Sergeant (18F) before becoming 18Z or 180A. 18B -- Special Operations Weapons Sergeant |
06-28-2009, 04:59 AM | #77 |
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Well this thread motivated me to contact former Hasbro CEO Alfred Verrecchia. Here's how it went...
Headman: Mr. Verrecchia, having spent 43 years with Hasbro, even attaining the position of CEO of the company, I thought you might be able to answer a simple question for me. As of late there has been some debate among GI Joe fans to whether or not Flint, a Warrant Officer in the US army would outrank Duke, a First Sgt in the united states army despite the fact that Duke is generally portrayed as the higher ranking member of GI Joe. The fans opinions seem pretty split, but I would happily accept any answer you give. Thank you for your time sir. And the response... Alfred Verrecchia: WTF? Dude, you're such a nerd. Get a life moron. :( I guess I'll try Hassenfeld or Goldner next. |
06-28-2009, 05:05 AM | #78 |
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I like carrots.
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06-28-2009, 05:10 AM | #79 |
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My brother is an MP and he told me about a pretty funny line MP's use when pulling over officers. "Sir, don't mistake your rank with my authority". He says the look on their faces is priceless.
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06-28-2009, 08:22 AM | #80 |
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Well this thread motivated me to contact former Hasbro CEO Alfred Verrecchia. Here's how it went...
Headman: Mr. Verrecchia, having spent 43 years with Hasbro, even attaining the position of CEO of the company, I thought you might be able to answer a simple question for me. As of late there has been some debate among GI Joe fans to whether or not Flint, a Warrant Officer in the US army would outrank Duke, a First Sgt in the united states army despite the fact that Duke is generally portrayed as the higher ranking member of GI Joe. The fans opinions seem pretty split, but I would happily accept any answer you give. Thank you for your time sir. And the response... Alfred Verrecchia: WTF? Dude, you're such a nerd. Get a life moron. :( I guess I'll try Hassenfeld or Goldner next. If this is what he really said, it's kind of sad. Goes to show you a disregard for the fans of a product they are trying to sell. From the top down. My guess is that he has no friggin idea. Yes it's just a toy line, but its a highly successful toyline. And part of what sets it apart are the characterizations of figures like Duke and Flint. Without that they are just expensive Corp Figures. Being that these figures are based more in reality than Superhero comics, some fans try to appreciate aspects of authentic military life. Rank and file is how some fans organize their collections. Yeah that may not be so important to a 6 year old, but if they want to retain fans for life it doesn't hurt to address these type of questions or just to amuse us. Let's face it most of us here are adults buying toys. So I don't want to hear "get a life" from a dude whose shit I'm buying. Well I guess that Alfred Verrecchia is retired, but I think without the hardcore fans this line would die. Just like all the other encarnations they tried when they stop paying attention to ranks. Extreme, Sigma-Six, so they better watch it with ROC as well. They shouldn't treat us all like Combat Heroes fans. Those fans eventually grow up and buy their own toys or none at all. Maybe you'll get a better response from the other two? I doubt anyone really knows. The Movie Duke is now a Major so now there can be no doubt if considering the ROC line. The fact remains, Duke is suppose to be in charge but it doesn't add up correctly when you add Flint. When Duke was added to the roster no one but Hawk ranked higher than him as far as Infantry troops. And Special Forces Warrant Officers are a unique entitity like no other. Here is some light reading about Green Berets and how they are organized: Special Forces (United States Army) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
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