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06-29-2009, 11:49 AM | #91 |
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There are alot of officers in Joe, they just came in the later years.
Major Storm. Capt. Grid-Iron. Doc. Pysche-Out. Sub-Zero. Lt. Falcon. Surefire. Major Barrage. Thunderwing. I'm sure there's more I'm missing.
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06-29-2009, 12:24 PM | #92 |
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I think the filecards indicate "previous rank" held during the team members' time in the military prior to GI Joe, and they keep them only for administrative purposes. In reality, a Joe operative would be placed within an internal ranking structure unique to the Joe team, and would be paid at a much higher rate than their rank would indicate.
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06-29-2009, 12:42 PM | #93 |
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No--Duke outranks Flint!
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06-29-2009, 01:14 PM | #94 |
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Flint is leader of the Tiger Force and Duke is a member of the Tiger Force so does TF Flint out rank TF Duke ? I only ask so this thread will continue for another 10 pages .
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06-29-2009, 01:25 PM | #95 |
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I think the filecards indicate "previous rank" held during the team members' time in the military prior to GI Joe, and they keep them only for administrative purposes. In reality, a Joe operative would be placed within an internal ranking structure unique to the Joe team, and would be paid at a much higher rate than their rank would indicate. One of my favorite things about Joe is that these are the guys who roll up their sleeves and get the job done. There isn't any time or inclination to squabble over rank or rate. |
06-29-2009, 01:34 PM | #96 |
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HOWEVER!
Enlisted people of suitably high rank MAY be in charge of other officers. NCOs can, and do, outrank Officers, and NCOs are in the Enlisted ranks. So long as you are operating in that NCO's theatre of operations, he outranks you. There's an NCO in Iraq right now, he's an E-8, that is third in command of the forces there. He answers ONLY to the two generals above him (or is it a general and admiral, whatever, two of the real big wigs). He orders around everyone, Colonel, Lt., whatever, so long as they are in Iraq. The purpose of senior NCOs at that level is to act as an advisor and administrator to the commanders. They will liaise with the other senior NCOs in theater in order to carry out the Commanders' policies and orders, but trying to "command" officers would not be any sort of standard policy. The officers may do well to listen to his advice, but he can't force them to. |
06-29-2009, 01:39 PM | #97 |
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These are MILITARY men and women (let's not even get started on how far off the portrayal of the women in Joe is from reality...). They've spent years in a ranking structure. That doesn't just disappear because go into a new unit.
There's an entire booklet that describes how the different branches interact with eachother in relation to rank and such. So if Duke has spent years as a sargeant, he's not automatically going to be acting different just because he's in a new unit. Falcon and Grid-Iron will still be his superiors and he'll treat them as such.
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06-29-2009, 01:49 PM | #98 |
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Learn your military people. NCOs do not outrank officers. They never have and never will. But if were just going to make things up because GI Joe is fiction, then I say PFC Ambush outranks everyone including Hawk. There!
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06-29-2009, 02:02 PM | #99 |
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In the GI Joe universe, however, this is entirely possible (though an extremely unlikely example). It's fantasy with a military/sci-fi origin. It requires a healthy dose of suspension of disbelief. |
06-29-2009, 02:04 PM | #100 |
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If you go by their filecards, yes Flint out "ranks" Duke. BUT, just b/c he outranks Duke doesn't really matter. You go by their Primary MOS along with that rank to determine the chain of command.
Duke is a First Sergeant of a Special Forces unit and is second-in-command to only Hawk in that unit. Yes, there may be other officers in the unit and he has to refer to them with the proper respect of their rank("Sir" or Ma'am" or by rank title) but he is still that units First Sergeant and second only to the Commander. The XO would be third in charge. Does he just get to go around an give all officers(Captain to General) orders, No. He can give a Lieutenant orders though. I've seen this done plenty of times in my unit. Flint is a Flight Warrant attached to a Special Forces unit which means he controls his aircraft. He has no say over how Duke runs his infantry. Technically, Flint isn't really even SF since he's a Flight Warrant. In the real world, he would be attached to a unit like 160th SOAR that gives air support to the SF units. This also goes for all of the other little specialty, non-Combat arms people. Just b/c they are "attached" to the SF unit, does not make them SF. It's one of those "Earned, not Issued" things that irks me about the military. Also, have you ever seen a 2nd Lieutenant(0-1) try to order a Sergeant Major(E-9) around? It's not a pretty sight. Yes, that 2LT may outrank the SGM, BUT he cannot give that SGM an order b/c he lacks the experience that the SGM has in the military. 2LTs are, majority of the time, straight out of college with no real world or real military experience and just as useful as an E-1. This really happened and the SGM ended up smoking the shit out of the 2LT after a Captain put the 2LT in his place. Experience matters and can outweigh rank. But, GIJoe isn't real. So, whether Flint outranks Duke or vice versa, it all depends on your Joeverse and who you put in charge.
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