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05-28-2017, 10:23 AM | #1 |
Cobra Viper
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1. They are the REAL deal, the ones who were part of your childhood (ME = imitation = nothing new).
2. They are easily customizable, you just need a screwdriver and some paint (you will have a hard time trying to disassemble a ME Joes). 3. Vintage Joes fit vintage and ME vehicles (Not all ME Joes fit vintage vehicles and sometimes some sort of customization is required to do so). 4. ME vehicles can easily customize foot pegs to fit vintage Joes but you will have a hard time trying to fix vintage vehicles' foot pegs to fit ME Joes. 5. ME backpack pegs can easily be customized to fit vintage Joes but you will have a hard time trying to fix vintage backpack pegs to fit ME Joes. 6. Great variety of bootlegs and knock-off to incorporate and mix with your Joes, mostly of them designed after the same o-ring mold and with the same foot and backpack pegs. 7. They were designed for rugged play (more durability), ME Joes are labeled as only "adult collectibles" (more fragile then?) 8. Once you buy a vintage figure it is an investment, it does not matter you buy it only for you personal pleasure, it is still an investment that can be a source of income in the future. They have the magic that can be bought for cheap in a lucky strike and then can be sold for a premium price. ME market is more aware of what is cheap and what is not, when it comes to ME Joes you must be prepared to buy expensive (if you want the last "hot collector's item" figure) and sell it cheap when needs strike your door. 9. Vintage figures offer the thrill of chasing since the offer is low and the demand high if you are a fan of auctions and chasing collectibles, vintage Joes is world of exploration and adventure looking in any imaginable place for that wished figure, vehicle or playset you have always wanted, they have been around for more than three decades so they are scattered all over the world providing a unique collecting experience. ME, yawn..., just order them for Amazon or subscribe to get them. 10. (Number ten is for you to fill in, tell us another advantage). PD: I am not trying to start a debate among fans of both lines, I think this thread is more sort of "Vintage Joes Appreciation". Thanks. |
05-28-2017, 01:54 PM | #2 |
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First of all, I definitely understand what your intent of this thread is, so I come in peace, but to counter some of your points. I think it's hard not to have a debate in this kind of forum. Hopefully it could be a healthy one.
I respect that there are differing opinions. Personally, I have both vintage and modern figures, but I know of those who have only either vintage or modern. I always say, "To each his or her own". I definitely have respect for vintage - I cut my teeth on vintage - have been a fan since 82. But I look at gen as a gateway drug to the better stuff. So here are my counter points for what you have listed: 1. While vintage are the predecessors, I don't know if I would call them the "real deal". I think this is in the eye of the beholder. I see ME figures as an improvement over the vintage, and the ME figures are really the figures I would've wanted as a kid. 2. I will agree that overall, the vintage figures are a little easier customized than the ME figures, but I've done way more customizing with Me figures and have had a good time doing it. 3. While I would agree as well that vintage figs fit into vintage vehicles better overall, I've not had a problem displaying Me figs with vintage vehicles as needed. And I don't tear up any vehicles to do so. 4. I see this as being along the lines of points 2 & 3. Foot pegs aren't a problem for me one way or another. 5. In my experience, it's easier to customize vintage backpacks to fit ME figs than vice versa. However, I have little need to customize vintage backpacks as I think ME backpacks are so much better looking and more detailed. To me, the vintage figures look like toys (I know they are, ha ha!) but the ME figures look even more realistic. I know that vintage were highly detailed, but the ME figs are not only more highly detailed, but also have more removable parts, which appeals to me now and would've also appealed to me as a kid. 6. This point doesn't matter to me much, but with the release of MTF 4" figures as well as Vitruvian Hacks, and with Eagle Force coming soon, we've got plenty of expansion for our 4" joes. I plan on using my EF figs as sub groups for GI Joe and Cobra. 7. Both vintage toys and Me toys are designed for play. However, time has taken its toll on vintage figures, and now we are seeing a lot of broken thumbs, broken crotches, foot explosions, discoloring, and snapped o rings. ME figures are still relatively new (the oldest are 10 years old this year), but I doubt, with the plastic that they used, that we will see some of these issues with the ME figures. Obviously no borken o rings, ha ha! When ME figures were being sold at retail, they did have "ages 4 and up" on the packages. 8. I don't agree with this point at all. First, I don't think toys are an investment at all, except for your own personal enjoyment. In that case, my investment has paid off many times over. However, good deals can be found if you keep your eye out for both vintage and Me figures and vehicles, and you can find some vintage and ME figures for dirt cheap. Some figures, regardless of the year they were made, will go for more at any time. There are still some Me figures demanding a high price all over the place. 9. With ANY collectibles, you can have the thrill of he chase. Goes for both vintage and modern. I'm looking for some vintage parts hat are hard to find, and I also look for modern stuff to flesh out some of my collection. You can't get every ME thing off of amazon. And some ME things are just as hard to find as some vintage items. One could make an argument that, at least in theory, that here are more vintage items available since GI Joe was way more populate back in the day, although some of the vintage items have likely been lost to the trash heap. I absolutely respect your opinion that you like vintage more than modern, and I'd never try to sway anyone into one camp or another. J list like ME figures better because I think they are more durable, more detailed, and more poseable than vintage. I do have some vintage, but I use them mainly as sort of a "then & now" display with their modern era counterparts.
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05-28-2017, 02:19 PM | #3 |
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Are two kind of toys/action figures of different type.
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05-28-2017, 02:38 PM | #4 |
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I prefer the modern figs because I dig their aesthetics more. They managed to somehow update the toys while maintaining that certain nostalgia factor, which is why I did any of this in the first place. Collecting the 25th and up toys was definitely a nostalgic rush for me and I enjoyed every second of it, just like I did as a child with the original toys. It seriously made me feel those very same feelings of excitement, joy and enthusiasm I felt as a kid all those years ago. So there's a definite soft-spot I hold for the modern stuff.
Add in the facts that they're easier to come by, cheaper too, and that they're not disintegrating due to age, and you've got a nice line of fun things for people like me who've been suckered by nostalgia, but aren't "hard-core" enough to deal with the hassles of collecting vintage toys. As a strictly part-time toy collector, who places a low priority on toys, they're just fine (and better than fine) for my purposes. That said, I totally get why others prefer the vintage guys. I asked myself once, if money and time were no object, would I amass a vintage collection? I realized I wouldn't simply because I'll always have other things I'd rather spend my money and time on. |
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05-28-2017, 02:57 PM | #5 |
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Vintage Joes are superior because they don't have a fugly chest hinge that gives all the men moobs
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05-28-2017, 04:27 PM | #6 |
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I collect modern era myself. They are in my opinion the most displayable of anything out there. With that said, I'll say this about vintage. There are soooo many cool figures out there at a reasonable price that you could collect for a lifetime and not have everything ever made. So if your on a tight budget, or can't justify paying what they can cost, which is perfectly reasonable, but still have a passion for joes vintage is not a bad rout to go. One reason why I'll probably never get into vintage is simply space. I would have no space to ever display any of it. There are still quite a few modern figures I have missed or don't have the cash for yet to top it off. Maybe one day things will change, you never know what the future holds.
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05-28-2017, 04:51 PM | #7 |
Cobra Viper
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1. They are REAL old and REAL brittle.
2. It's easy to customize the newer Joes even without a screwdriver. Head/hand/gear swaps faster than you can remove a screw. 3. Joes from the 90s don't always fit the smaller snugger early vehicles. 4. Sand, drill, glue in dowel. It's easy after you've done it a few times. 5. See #4 6. Can't argue with this. But no o-ring superhero figures so kind of a wash. 7. They're 35 years old and aging. It gets old having treasured figures snap heels and crack down the elbows all the time. Newer figures are flexible and sturdy. . . at least for now. 8. Yeah the hundreds of o-ring figures I have sure were a good investment. They're basically worthless with a few rarer exceptions. I can pick up 84-87 figures by the pound every day at flea markets and vintage stores. Toys are a terrible investment period. 9. Right because that Python Patrol Convention set is so easy to find. Better go buy another one right now. Anybody want these Shadow Trackers? I have too many. I have a complete set of 82-94 figures. I was collecting foreign variants and bootlegs when I finally lost interest and switched to Modern only. I loved the o-ring figures in their day but their day is over. Your mileage may and obviously does vary. |
05-28-2017, 05:42 PM | #8 |
Crimson Guard
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Patricio, I really have no arguments or issues with your opinions. I am mostly a Modern Era collector. The reason I say "mostly" is because there are still some vintage figures that I'm looking for. However, the main reason I'm looking for those vintage figures is simply because they haven't been made in the Modern Era format. I'm mainly talking about the Star Brigade lineup.
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05-28-2017, 07:30 PM | #9 |
o-ring or nothing
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I love the o-ring figures. I just picked up a nice little lot on ebay today and I can't wait to get them! The best thing about them is that they're locked into their place in time. When I pick up my Flash figure, I get flashbacks (no pun intended, but I'll take it) to getting him as my first G.I. Joe ever. And they will always have a great history. While the ME figures are constantly evolving. The 25th stuff looks awful compared to the 30th. And they're forever trying to capture a perfect update of the classic figures that should be easy to do (eg Duke!). They set a high bar for all these new toys to live up to. I still buy the ME figures, but they will always come in second for me. I've always said that they need to get rid of that split torso and put a screw in the back. For all the people that can't paint, at least you'd be able to easily take the figures apart and swap legs or arms. That should be a selling point, not a byproduct.
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05-28-2017, 08:19 PM | #10 |
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Does 9 mean you'll start liking ME figures in 20 more years? 30 years ago you would've been buying ARAH Joes at retail too. I like ME because they replicate the experience of buying ARAH off the rack brand new in the '80s. Who wants old, decaying, worn-out, played-with, secondhand, hand-me-down, outdated, loose toys when you can get something shiny, modern and new from the store? Do you want a rotary phone or an iPhone?
Many of us have been buying brand new Joes non-stop at retail since 1982. The question is what makes someone disloyal to supporting the ongoing brand and preferring to stunt their collecting growth by focusing on outdated stuff from the past that is ancient history by now? Last edited by JediJones; 05-28-2017 at 08:38 PM.. |
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