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View Poll Results: Who is the 68th greatest G.I. Joe character of all time? | |||
Mercer | 8 | 11.27% | |
Big Ben | 7 | 9.86% | |
Croc Master | 9 | 12.68% | |
Shooter | 6 | 8.45% | |
Zanya | 1 | 1.41% | |
Headman | 3 | 4.23% | |
Skidmark | 1 | 1.41% | |
Interrogator | 2 | 2.82% | |
Steel Brigade | 0 | 0% | |
Mainframe | 34 | 47.89% | |
Voters: 71. You may not vote on this poll |
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06-19-2014, 11:35 PM | #81 |
Darth_Henning
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Chronologically I'm 24. But for various reasons, I've had adult level responsibilities since I was about 9. Throw in that I'm in the final year of my real MD, so it surprises a lot of people. Quote:
OK, cool. Well since you have the foot locker, if you're not ready to sit through all the eps, look for some top ten lists or ones that are rated highly. Gamesmaster is one of the fan-favorites. Others that get mentioned a lot by fans still are Synthoid Conspiracy, The Viper is Coming, Worlds Without End, Cold Slither, the Traitor, Excalibur, Computer Complications and of course Arise, Serpentor, Arise. I'd say some underrated ones are The Germ, The Funhouse, Cobra Quake, Lights! Camera! Cobra!, Countdown for Zartan, Sink the Montana! and The Rotten Egg.
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I think one of the interesting things that this poll has illustrated, at least to me (and a big thanks is due to beef for setting this up) is how fragmented the G. I. Joe community is. I wonder if this is part of the trouble that the franchise is having. There seems to be an identity crisis among G.I. Joe fans regarding what this franchise is, which I imagine would make it hard to cater to this community.
... My point here is that it seems as though the community is very splintered, and I wonder if that is a good or bad thing. More G. I. Joe is good, but has it resulted in a schizophrenic fan base? I remember seeing a blurb from Hasbro years ago that stated that Duke was the leader of the team and being livid. It seemed to me that the brand leaders themselves didn't know their own product. First of all, I'd like to say that Schizophrenia means a person who has delusions (fixed, false beliefs) or hallucinations (seeing or hearing something that isn't there). NOT someone with multiple personalities as the is often implied in casual conversation. That is an entirely different mental disorder, which many psychiatrists do not believe exists because there has never been more than a handful of marginally plausible case reports. [/END MEDICAL RANT] It definitely is the case. I love the original ARAH comics, but I also love what DDP did for the most part, especially all the new sculpt characters they included and began to develop. There are certain tenants that run through a lot, but there definitely are a lot of differences that makes it basically impossible to please every fan all the time for the hard-core collectors. But I don't think that picking an identy is the problem. The problem is that Hasbro doesn't pick an identity for the brand or the characters anymore. Back in the 80s, Snake Eyes was the Joe ninja. Period. Duke was the field sergent. Lifeline was the whiny pacifist. Deep Six was a loner. Everyone had a distinct characterization and point that may have been sterotyped and campy, but allowed any viewer, causal or hardccore to instantly recognize the character. You may not have liked that character, but you instantly identified with them. That's been lost recently. Rather than saying Scarlett is dating Snake Eyes end of story (or Duke), various incarnations have her bouncing between both of them, oh and ripcord. Similarly, is G.I. Joe american? international? officially sanctioned? on the run? a big group? a small group? No one freaking knows. That's the problem. There isn't a brand identity. Sure, no matter what Hasbro picks, 20% of fans will hate it, but its something to build on consistently. Yes, it needs to be different from the ARAH comics and Sunbow. Rehashing that 20 years later won't work. But taking the concepts from it will. The problem with sunbow/ARAH isn't that Hawk's a general who wears a bober jacket. The problem is the now outdated plot lines. If you parachuted the same characterizations for the Joes 20 years into the future, set say the war in the middle east as the replacement for Vietnam, and went from there, you'd actually have a decent jumping off point. Should all the characters be designed the exact same as the 80s? No. But some of them need only very mild tweeking to look great. Do we need a bright orange flamethrower named Ice Cream Soldier? Probably not. But how about a microwave-weapons officer and scientist who likes to wear an orange neckerchief and makes freeze dried ice cream for use on the battlefield (aaaannnnndd that's going in my fanfic)? Does Spearhead need to have bright orange camo and be a desert trooper with a bobcat? No. But the bullet proof vest and general design can stay. Don't start from scratch, take what works, replace what doesn't, and pick an identify for joe moving forward. Its Hasbro's own vacillation that's the problem. Quote:
The movies are really the only shot G.I. Joe would have to establish a unified, popular continuity. I personally think they took too much influence from the comic books when the cartoons would have been a better model, closer to what works in live-action entertainment. The cartoons themselves were modeled off of movie serials, James Bond, Star Wars, and Indiana Jones.
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What I liked about DDP comics was they took the original story and just expanded it with tons of new characters. So we obviously got tons of fans from that time period. Hence why Zanya is on the poll and Firewall has 10 write ins. There story needed more women. Although I'm surprised Mayday has no write-ins.
Not so crazy about IDW lately. There isn't enough toy plugs which is really the center of all our universes. Quote:
Continuity is a Pain in the Butt - for any franchise! George Lucas has been overly-anal about a LOT of things over the years, but he has made it a Lot easier to know what's Canon in the Star Wars universe. Every time a new director comes along, they want to put their own stamp on the Origin and/or character. It's what eventually turned me away from comics too - tired of re-learning history!
Admittedly, that's mostly the hard-core fans of the EU, but that's a large purchasing sect that will be hard to replace. Trying to work off a unified continuity is always better. Reboots, let alone repeated ones are basically never good. On the to do list |
06-19-2014, 11:53 PM | #82 |
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Before I say what I am about to say, I'd like to preface my comments with a disclaimer. I am not out to offend anyone, and my opinions are my own. I offer this in the interest of open discussion.
I think one of the interesting things that this poll has illustrated, at least to me (and a big thanks is due to beef for setting this up) is how fragmented the G. I. Joe community is. I wonder if this is part of the trouble that the franchise is having. There seems to be an identity crisis among G.I. Joe fans regarding what this franchise is, which I imagine would make it hard to cater to this community. Someone earlier said something about not voting for any character who doesn't have a figure, and as someone who has many favorites who haven't yet been made, I reacted strongly against that position. However, in hindsight, I see the logic. What is more canon than the figures and filecards? However, if that is the basis for voting, then characters who haven't yet garnered many votes should be doing far better. The Steel Brigade comes to mind. This was very innovative, and I'm sure that many of our adventures while playing centered around this figure because it was us. This innovation was further reinforced when they did that contest where a few fans got turned into Steel Brigade characters. However, few votes have gone that way because outside of toys, there's been little development. Someone said that the cartoon is probably the main influence on many people. This accounts for things like Kwinn and Dr. Venom rating so low. I find this very interesting too because while all of my classmates watched the show, the overall (strongly felt) consensus on my playground was that it was a poor substitute for the comic. Before the advent of the Internet, I assumed that was what everyone felt. It was an eye opener to learn as an adult that there was a section of G.I. Joe fandom that looked back fondly on these cartoons or used them as a basis of their G.I. Joe universe. Then, there are the comics. What is interesting about this is that there are so many incarnations now. People like me look at Hama's early issues as their primary influence. Others are more familiar with newer versions of the story (regrettably, I am not). There have also been newer cartoons and the films, although I've seen less evidence that these have influenced people too much. Soon we will have all of the novels (another shameless plug). My point here is that it seems as though the community is very splintered, and I wonder if that is a good or bad thing. More G. I. Joe is good, but has it resulted in a schizophrenic fan base? I remember seeing a blurb from Hasbro years ago that stated that Duke was the leader of the team and being livid. It seemed to me that the brand leaders themselves didn't know their own product. As I said, I've not set out to insult anyone here. I am genuinely interested here is hearing other people's opinions on this matter. -He-Man in the original story and mini comics was a barbarian living in the wilderness battling over a mysterious/sinester castle and a quest to join two magic swords. Then the DC comics and Filmation came along and made him a prince with one sword and a secret identity. Then you add She-Ra (which some fans like and some don't) and you get two versions of Horde (one on Eternia and one on Eitheria) and two versions of Hordak (one like a Monster/warlock/vampire, and one a techno shape shifter). Then later you get yet more versions of He-Man where he goe on space adventures etc. -Transformers comics were just as different from their Sunbow ounterparts as Joe comics were. And then you have the later incarnations/reinvenions some of which (like Beast Wars) were very popular while others (like the Bayverse) were on one hand influential and wide reaching but on the other hand hated by the fan base. Bumblebee is completely different today from what he we was in the 80s and guys like Megatron are sometimes a gun, sometimes a tank, and some times a jet, etc. I could go on discussing how different the Turtles comics were from the cartoon Etc. (was Splinter orinally a rat or a man, etc). I get your point and in general I agree.-- it would have been nice if the original Joe comics and Joe cartoons were closer reflections to one another. But I think that's a problem with all the major toy franchises. And all in all I think with GI Joe it's a lot easier to blend the elements of both than what it is to blend the conflicting elements of He-Man and Transformer. Star Wars is an unfair comparison because at its core it wasn't a toy line but a series of self contained films.
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06-20-2014, 12:07 PM | #83 |
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06-20-2014, 04:58 PM | #84 |
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No last minute votes write ins?
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06-20-2014, 07:55 PM | #85 |
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06-20-2014, 08:11 PM | #86 |
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No excuse for this low turnout. Let's rally the troops and get Mainframe over 50%...
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06-20-2014, 08:25 PM | #87 |
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It must be Friday.
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