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04-05-2009, 04:30 AM | #11 |
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Their file cards definitely say they're all 3 siblings.
I think what he meant, was that Zartan had twin siblings, making them twins of each other, but not a twin of himself. People can have twin siblings without being a twin. YOJOE.COM | Filecard Gallery - Zandar YOJOE.COM | Filecard Gallery - Zarana Wikipedia says that Zandar and Zarana are twins, take that as you may: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zarana |
04-05-2009, 04:59 AM | #12 |
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[QUOTE=Mandingo Rex;657690]Their file cards definitely say they're all 3 siblings.
I think what he meant, was that Zartan had twin siblings, making them twins of each other, but not a twin of himself. People can have twin siblings without being a twin. OK. Too much Shiner. Making me dense. I follow it now. |
04-05-2009, 07:29 AM | #13 |
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I had a friend give me a VHS GI Joe The Movie from 1987 Friday night. I had never seen it as it came out well after I had lost interest as a kid in Joes. There is an interesting scene where Zarana sheds a Blonde Bimbo disguise down to her bathing suit. Zartan shows up and mentions something about her being his sister. I dont remember if Zandar was there.
The scene you are describing was actually originally storyboarded as a..... Nude scene! In an interview in GI JOE magazine (had the subscription when I was a kid) the development team, they revealed that zarana indeed was supposed to strip. Sketches provided showed the original concept, and they were never going to display any of the "naughty bits" ( think playboy cover". Hasbro of course made them draw in a bra for the skinny dipping scene. Leave in the slow and disturbing mutation into a snake, the whole Cobra-la fiasco, but they cut what would have possibly made Zarana the most popular joe character EVER! |
04-05-2009, 08:37 AM | #14 |
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An interesting side note.
The scene you are describing was actually originally storyboarded as a..... Nude scene! In an interview in GI JOE magazine (had the subscription when I was a kid) the development team, they revealed that zarana indeed was supposed to strip. Sketches provided showed the original concept, and they were never going to display any of the "naughty bits" ( think playboy cover". Hasbro of course made them draw in a bra for the skinny dipping scene. Leave in the slow and disturbing mutation into a snake, the whole Cobra-la fiasco, but they cut what would have possibly made Zarana the most popular joe character EVER! http://joeguide.com/interviews/image...ci09-large.jpg And the interview about it: http://joeguide.com/interviews/buzzdixon_ci.shtml Quote:
DJZ: You had a nude scene in the G.I.Joe movie?!?
BD: Yeah. The way the scene played is…this beautiful blonde airhead is driving through the woods and she pulls up to this lake and it’s all very pastoral, and she gets out of the car, kicks her sandals off, takes her hat off, and she slips off her sundress. She’s standing on the edge of this lake and...you have a skinny-dip scene. She wasn’t really nude but topless, and it was storyboarded in such a way that you never saw her nipples. She was topless but you never saw anything. It got all the way to the storyboard page and then somebody at either Sunbow or Hasbro - I think it was Hasbro - got cold feet, so now she keeps a bra on. They weren’t willing to take that little extra chance. They are far more comfortable with something that has been done before than they are with something that hasn’t been done before, and considering that they want these things to promote toys and merchandise maybe it’s unfair to expect them to take risks, but you wish somebody would take the risk. I had all but forgotten about that story board and only remembered the one with the bra Here's the second storyboards (Zarana in Bra) in this interview:JoeGuide.com - G.I.Joe Interviews > Buzz Dixon (conducted by David Thornton in November 2000) In it he says this about the nude scene: Quote:
DT: I've received several emails from fans who stated they have seen footage of the topless scene in G.I.Joe: The Movie, however, you stated in an interview that the scene never left the storyboard stage since someone at either Sunbow or Hasbro got cold feet about included it in the film. Was the scene created anyway as a "Sunbow Staff Exclusive" director's cut?
BD: They may have seen the original storyboards but the sequence never got to the animation stage with Zarana actually topless (even if only seen from behind). I wish Hasbro had decided against this earlier so we could have changed the sequence; as it exists now there’s a really weird jump where the top of her costume suddenly appears. |
04-05-2009, 08:50 AM | #15 |
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Good morning tankers...wow everything is interesting as I'm reading a mixed legends/background of the "Z" groups. After reading what everyone said, I had to go look for that comic books and read everything again, it shows a part where Zarana called Zartan "dad". I know it wasn't Zanya who said it but Zarana. The name of the comic is Reloaded by DDP. Any one want to say something about this?
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04-05-2009, 08:53 AM | #16 |
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I could be wrong but wasn't "reloaded" kind of a "What if" sorta thing where they just rebooted the whole storyline and started over from scratch? Therefore making everything known about the GI Joe history null and void?
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04-05-2009, 02:04 PM | #17 |
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In my Joe-Verse, Zartan, his siblings and the Dreadnoks have very different backstories.
Zartan was a very well-known child actor who got nominated for an Academy Award, then got on drugs and disappeared. It was reported that he died of a drug overdose, but that didn't happen. He traveled the world and went to Asia and learned from mystics and such and then returned to the United States. No one knows that Zartan is this grown-up child actor. The facial markings are tattoos and permanent. He's American. His family are old money from New Orleans. His father's company sold hologram technology to the military. After returning to the States, Zartan decides he will re-invent himself as an assassin and uses the technology of his dad's company to do it. Zartan's family could have been written by V. C. Andrews and Anne Rice. His father was a pedophile and his mother was a cold critical alcoholic. Zartan's father abused his twins until Zartan killed him. Zarana is a violent, man-hating lesbian and the only two men she'll be nice to are her brothers. She and Zartan have had an incestuous affair. Zandar is a confused virgin who has panic attacks in intimate moments and just tries to blend in to the background and not draw attention to himself, but he has a murder fetish which makes being an assassin a good career choice for him. Zarana is very protective of Zandar whose personality is often rather childlike. He'll often sit in her lap and she'll cuddle, coo and pet him. Zartan is an incorrigible heroin addict but instead of rendering him senseless and useless, it enhances his talents. His lair is his family's old mansion in the swamp which has fallen into disrepair after his father's death and his mother's commitment to an insane asylum. His true lair is beneath the mansion, and is a technological fortress. The Dreadnoks are children of wealthy American families who knew one another in a prestigious prep school and decided to re-invent themselves as biker thugs to horrify their parents. They have names like Andrew, Blake and Colin. Zartan encountered them on a job once and was amused by them so he hired them to be his bodyguards and "second-rate stooges." |
04-05-2009, 02:13 PM | #18 |
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...uh-huh....ooooo kayyyy.....^^^
...Zandar and Zarana are twins and they are Zartans brother & sister...
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04-05-2009, 06:51 PM | #19 |
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An interesting side note.
The scene you are describing was actually originally storyboarded as a..... Nude scene! In an interview in GI JOE magazine (had the subscription when I was a kid) the development team, they revealed that zarana indeed was supposed to strip. Sketches provided showed the original concept, and they were never going to display any of the "naughty bits" ( think playboy cover". Hasbro of course made them draw in a bra for the skinny dipping scene. Leave in the slow and disturbing mutation into a snake, the whole Cobra-la fiasco, but they cut what would have possibly made Zarana the most popular joe character EVER! |
04-05-2009, 07:52 PM | #20 |
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Reloaded was an alternate Joe verse, outside of the mostly similar comic continuity that stretches from Marvel to other DDP books, as well as the file cards.
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