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03-20-2009, 09:11 PM | #11 |
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03-20-2009, 09:50 PM | #12 |
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Vipers are cobra troopers. Cobra troopers we're hushed out at some point in the comic series and replaced with Vipers.
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03-20-2009, 11:24 PM | #13 |
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considering it is pretty clearly stated on their filecard that the Vipers are the lowest level of Cobra (inherently meaning that there is nothing below them) it is clear that every other faction of Cobra is meant to be higher than them. why would standard Cobras be excluded from that considering Hasbro (and Hama) was well aware of Cobra Troopers existence when they dictated that Vipers were below EVERYBODY.
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03-21-2009, 12:01 AM | #14 |
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Vipers were foot soldiers, the lowest rung in the cobra food chain.
Every one in the Cobra org starts off as a viper. So going by this logic Officer is a higher rank than Viper. |
03-21-2009, 12:15 AM | #15 |
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this again leads back to the idea that specialty dictates rank. the problem with this is that the rank structure is meant to replicate standard military rankings, and that just doesn't occur in the military. Wet Suit isn't a higher rank than Footloose just because he's a SEAL (Joe equivalent of Eels) and Footloose is just infantry (Joe equivalent of Troopers or Vipers). not to mention giving a BAT a rank is like giving a toaster oven or Jeep a rank. |
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03-21-2009, 12:19 AM | #16 |
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I would think that Officers of any kind would command respect from any trooper regardless of their affiliation. The troops may differ on who "ranks" above who, but an officer is an officer regardless and thus would treated as such.
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03-21-2009, 02:31 AM | #17 |
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I don't think individual specialties would outrank one another simply because of their function, just like in any military outfit. a SEAL E-3 would certainly be beneath a Boatswains Mate E-6. and an Eel could be below a standard Cobra Trooper (unless there are rank requirements to enter the Eels). one has nothing to do with the other.
so, yes, a Viper would be below an Officer simply because the Officer is, well, an Officer (if you go by the original filecard for the Officer). but, if there are Viper Officers, they would be of equal rank to regular Cobra Officers. conversely, a Viper doesn't outrank a Cobra Trooper, they would be equal and it would simply be a matter of rank structure within those.
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03-21-2009, 02:48 AM | #18 |
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As previously mentioned, I just always thought of it as the Vipers were Cobra Troops getting an upgrade in equipment. I think of it this way - all Vipers are Cobra Troopers, specializing in infantry ops. The Viper gear is their combat uniform, where the Trooper uniform is their light duty utility uniform.
So not all Troopers are Vipers, some are support personnel...you know, like you got your techno vipers over here (don't have the purple suit yet) and ya got your paramedics, mechanics and quartermasters, intel analysts and psyops guys there all still running around in their blue shirts. Officers outrank Vipers, but will dress in Viper gear or watever they specialize in (HISS tank commanders, pilots, EELs, Snow Serpents etc.) for combat ops. |
03-22-2009, 07:27 PM | #19 |
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The problem comes from the fact that the Vipers were originally a replacement for the troopers (basic infantry). Basic infantry are the bottom rung, so Viper or trooper would both be the starting point if you choose to use both. I use them for different functions and as different divisions. Troopers are my starting point. They are basically untrained, unarmored and lightly equipped. Cobra would have the most troopers of any troop type. The are disposable, easy to replace and large in number. They would be used for lighter combat situations, garrison or guard duty, small scale combat missions, holding a previously conquered area etc. They are commanded by officers, just like every other division. Vipers would be one step up from Troopers. After some additional training, they are better armored and equipped and sent in as front line infantry troops. Vipers would have their own Viper officers (gold face plates). After time, a Viper can go on to one of the specialist viper divisions. One group would not necessarily out rank another unless the individual has a higher rank. Another thing to remember is that Cobra is a terrorist organization, not a full blow military, so ranks are a bit more blurry. In some cases an officer position would simply be taken by the strongest personality, not necessarily assigned. There is still a higharcy, but not as strict as a real military system.
As for CGs they are completely separate to me. They are a covert force, like the CIA. They are used mostly in an undercover role, and would seldom if ever be seen in force and uniformed. CGs would have been recruited directly, not raised in the ranks from Vipers. Just like the CIA recruits from universities, so would Cobra to fill the CG ranks. This is why they all have degrees. They are recruited, trained and sent under-cover. They have their own rank system, but respect for their position and fear would keep them from being commanded by other division officers. CGs removed from active under-cover work would make excellent officers for other divisions. |
03-22-2009, 07:48 PM | #20 |
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Maybe the troopers got better uniforms and became Vipers......
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