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05-01-2009, 11:02 PM | #71 |
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Now I am thiking I wil use Duke as a Maj.
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05-01-2009, 11:19 PM | #72 |
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Now that is an "A" team. Awesome. Is there a "B" team? Who's missing I guess?
My Duke is a Brigadier General (Equivalent) (0-7) I use him as a government operative My FLint is a Colonel. So I have no problem with that. I should knock everyone down a peg, but to me the leaders of GIJoe Flint and Duke should be higher than most other guys. My Falcon is a Major. I sort of promoted everyone and t actually coincided with what Devil's Due put out aside from Flint and Duke. |
05-02-2009, 05:22 AM | #73 |
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From what I can tell that is everyone. That was me going through 2 listings of members. One that was listed in America's Elite #28, Battle Files & Data Desk. The only ones that would be missing now are any who they introduce in the movie line of figures (ie. Sgt. Stone).
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05-02-2009, 06:42 AM | #74 |
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pretty cool. never noticed how similar colton and nick fury look a like
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05-02-2009, 06:52 AM | #75 |
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I think that giving Duke any rank higher than a 1SG or CSM is out of his character. Granted there are folks who enjoy their own story lines and such, but in most (if not all) publications for Duke, he has refused to be promoted feeling that his place is at the front with his troops and doesn't want an officers commission to interfere with that.
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05-02-2009, 12:15 PM | #76 |
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Hi,
I am late in the game on this, but did want to say what a great job you did massing this rank structure. I always wanted to do something like this, espicially after my own dealings with my military career. I can say for a fact, it is not uncommen to see a team consist of high ranking NCOs with a Warrent officier as the team leader. I did a tour under those conditions (although the highest memeber was a master sargent). Sargent Majors is a tough one to place. Those ranks are both a rank and a possition unlike First Sargent, that is a possitoin only that is filled by either an E-7 or E-8. Now in your rank structure, the only suggetion I would encourage you to change should be Altitude. His file card trumps all other SgtMajs. They have his listed as Sargent Major of the Army, the highest NCO possition in the Army. He should be placed either side by side with Savage or replace him. Something else to think of when doing rank structures is the possitions. Lowest possition would be Squad/ Team leader with a crew of 6 to 10 members. Next would be Platoon leader & Sgt., consists of 4 to 6 squads. Normally commanded by a Warrent Officer or a 1st or 2nd Luetenit and a SFC or MSG. Next would be Company consisting of 3 to 5 Platoons, commanded by a Captin and a First Sargent. Next would be a Battalion consisting of 3 to 5 Companies, Commanded by a LTC and a SgtMaj. After that its a Brigade, consisting of 3 to 5 Battalions, commanded by a Col and a CSgtMaj. Now looking at the numbers here and the figures and characters that have been made or introduced in the media, the size seems small like a company or battalion strength. But what I liked seen in Resolute and in the comics is the support staff that is taken for granted as background or extras like on a film set. If you put those troops into the ranks side by side with the joes, then the numbers would massively reach to a Divission or Group strength. Again, fantastic attempt at this and I look foward to see more done to this. |
05-02-2009, 09:08 PM | #77 |
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Duke should really be the highest ranking enlisted man. E-9 CSM and Altitude just E-9 Sgt major. At least that plays more in line with the Joe Character of Duke. I know the difference in my Joeverse. But as I look at you're entire body of work, no one else has ever attempted anything like this, so staying true to known rankings keeps it sort of "Official"
One thing I've read about Delta Force is a Squadron of about 22 or so operators may have 3 Sgt Majors. One a CSM, and other two are Team Leaders of about a 12 man team. There are a few Support guys that travel with them. But Since most Operators are already seasoned soldiers they tend to be at least E-6 at least or Capts. A majority are E-7's. |
05-03-2009, 02:09 AM | #78 |
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The G.I Joe Team has the strangest structure I had ever seen. Its like Duke is given complete authority to select personnel out of any outfit, to be apart of a classified group that organize it's personnel pool into combat units that are based on individual mission requirements (but for all we know, that might be how Delta Force is structured), and with a vary loose military culture - with regards to rank and dress-codes. The loose dress-code in particular is not a bad thing, as the diversity helps round out their personalities, adds a level of recognition for an audience not familiar with military culture, and helps represent the various organizations that make up the US armed forces.
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05-03-2009, 08:33 AM | #79 |
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I use Support staff & "Greenshirts" just didn't list them. Was trying to focus on the named characters.
The only team I showed Greenshirts on, the Rawhides was only to show that as a full team. I imagine it really as a Company with Grid-Iron in charge & Crossfire as the First Sergeant. Same for the Arctic Ops & Desert Ops. I should have made that more apparent that they were Company sized, but again was trying to focus on the main characters & where they would be. Sorry. Steeler's MOBAT I imagine would need a crew of three. 1 Commander, 1 Gunner & 1 Driver. So Steeler would have 2 Greenshirts operating the tank with him. Same for all the vehicles. For every position on the vehicle I use a "Greenshirt" for that position. For the Medical Operations. I only listed the Main characters, but I see the Medical crew the size of what you would see in a normal clinic. Multiple Doctors, Nurses, Technicians, etc. Communications Center is commanded by Col. Sharpe & is Battalion sized. And of Course the USS Flagg is around 6,000 personnel. I will work on trying to make that more clear. Last edited by Darkhawk75; 05-03-2009 at 09:49 AM.. |
05-04-2009, 10:04 AM | #80 |
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The thing with Duke and Flint is that as a W-3 and a E-8 that is a perfect set up as to how a Green Berets Detachment works. Usually there are 6 detachments of 12 men to make up a Special Forces Company. Each detachment is led by a Captain, with his W-1 or W-2 as his XO, followed by a E-8 as the Team Sergeant.
Delta Force also follows a military structure in that a Delta Squadron is led by a Major, (Most likely a Ranger or a Special Forces graduate). Then there is a CSM who is Former Special Forces or Rangers) There will be Two more SGT Majors who serve as Team Leaders. To Round out the Sqaudron they will Have an assortment of Senior NCOs. Everyone is Generally E-7. They have the ability to break down to small 2 man teams if necessary. The Delta guys are much older and experienced than most other soldiers which is why a squad is made up of say a E-9 with two E-8's below him and 6 or more E-7s and perhaps a couple of E-6's. They travel with 2 or 3 Air Force Combat Controllers who may also be E-6's or E-5's. But it still is the military. So it's not as loose as how the Joes are with complete disregard to rank at times. CIA's Special Activities Division may have ranks sort of mixed up in that the members can have former Sgts outranking former Officers, but they have GS government ranks, which is different. GS ranks will have military equivalents of which all equal an officer's rank. |
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