I'm sure this was already discussed

Blowtorch · 12-27-2007, 03:10 PM

How is it that Sgt Flash is a Sergent if his file card says E-4. Anybody in the military (Army here) knows that E-5 and above is for NCOs. I know that Corporal is also E-4 so shouldn't it be Cpl Flash. As a side note shouldn't he be a higher rank. I mean after all 25 years in the Army you need to get promoted at sometime. Must be a self promotion.

Flash's file card from '82

His current file card

**Xerofall** · 12-27-2007, 03:26 PM

Doesn't it have something to do with the rights to the name? That's why we have "Agent" Scarlett and Sgt. Stalker.

Blowtorch · 12-27-2007, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Xerofall

Doesn't it have something to do with the rights to the name? That's why we have "Agent" Scarlett and Sgt. Stalker.

You're right on that I just thought it was funny that his name is Sgt Flash, but his pay grade is E-4. The pay grade doesn't match the name.

Justanoldfan · 12-27-2007, 08:47 PM

http://joes.propadeutic.com/grades.html

The link above has the rankings broken down by year...It even has the Joes broken down by which military branch they come from.

genoneguy · 12-27-2007, 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blowtorch

How is it that Sgt Flash is a Sergent if his file card says E-4. Anybody in the military (Army here) knows that E-5 and above is for NCOs. I know that Corporal is also E-4 so shouldn't it be Cpl Flash. As a side note shouldn't he be a higher rank. I mean after all 25 years in the Army you need to get promoted at sometime. Must be a self promotion.

Flash's file card from '82

His current file card

I'm in the U.S. Air Force and an E-4 in the Air Force is a Senior Airman. You don't become a sergeant until you become an E-5 which is a Staff Sergeant in the Air Force and just happens to be my current rank (Although I am way overdue for E-6).

Onslaught Six · 12-27-2007, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Blowtorch

As a side note shouldn't he be a higher rank. I mean after all 25 years in the Army you need to get promoted at sometime. Must be a self promotion.

That depends on how you see the 25th line in general. I personally see it as a complete reboot and these are the very first versions of these characters being released. This is Flash as he was in 1982. Not in 2007. I like to think that by 2007, Flash is too old to be serving in the military. :p

Spade · 01-03-2008, 01:42 PM

I noticed it and thought it was weird too. My father taught me the rankings when i use to collect joes. I imagined it has something do with the Gi Joe issue where the original joes all get promoted to Sergent. He's an unoffical sergent in the US Army but a sergent within the joe unit.

paulpratt · 01-03-2008, 02:20 PM

GI Joe is filled with weird stuff like that.

Flint is listed as a Warrant Officer in the Army, but his rank has him at an E-5 pay grade.
Britain has warrants at NCO ranks, but in America they carry the same weight as their comissioned officer counterparts (in theory anyway). My father is a W-4 in the Army.

Instead of being a jack of all trades like normal officers, warrants choose a specialty, usually as pilots like Flint, and master it.

In reality Flint would out rank Duke. In fact, a lot of Joes outrank Duke, but that's a different story.

I completely agree that the 25th line is a complete "reboot" (for lack of a better term) for the Real American hero line, but i would have expected technical hiccups like that to be fixed. Not that it makes the toys any less interesting or less enjoyable.

We can all ignore the file cards anyway, but it would have just been cool to have all those things corrected.

Not a huge deal... anyway...

I think the tiger force one fixes it...

Spade · 01-03-2008, 03:18 PM

Do E-8 even exist? My father said E-8 didn't exist anymore because most E-7 would become officers.

Ewokhunter92 · 01-03-2008, 03:47 PM

yeah because no Sgt in the army would be allowed to use a Laser rifle anyways.

lol

12-27-2007, 03:10 PM	#1
Blowtorch Awake and Alive Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Delaware Posts: 831	How is it that Sgt Flash is a Sergent if his file card says E-4. Anybody in the military (Army here) knows that E-5 and above is for NCOs. I know that Corporal is also E-4 so shouldn't it be Cpl Flash. As a side note shouldn't he be a higher rank. I mean after all 25 years in the Army you need to get promoted at sometime. Must be a self promotion. Flash's file card from '82 His current file card __________________ http://www.freewebs.com/blowtorch1984/

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Xerofall Stoopid SMOD! Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Tooele (two-willa), Utah Posts: 16,784	Doesn't it have something to do with the rights to the name? That's why we have "Agent" Scarlett and Sgt. Stalker. __________________ Problems with the Club? Click me.... How to post pics to Hisstank? Click me.... BST Feedback

12-27-2007, 03:29 PM	#3
Blowtorch Awake and Alive Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Delaware Posts: 831	Quote: Originally Posted by Xerofall Doesn't it have something to do with the rights to the name? That's why we have "Agent" Scarlett and Sgt. Stalker. You're right on that I just thought it was funny that his name is Sgt Flash, but his pay grade is E-4. The pay grade doesn't match the name. __________________ http://www.freewebs.com/blowtorch1984/

12-27-2007, 10:16 PM	#5
genoneguy Crimson Guard Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Fairfield, CA Posts: 1,024	Quote: Originally Posted by Blowtorch How is it that Sgt Flash is a Sergent if his file card says E-4. Anybody in the military (Army here) knows that E-5 and above is for NCOs. I know that Corporal is also E-4 so shouldn't it be Cpl Flash. As a side note shouldn't he be a higher rank. I mean after all 25 years in the Army you need to get promoted at sometime. Must be a self promotion. Flash's file card from '82 His current file card I'm in the U.S. Air Force and an E-4 in the Air Force is a Senior Airman. You don't become a sergeant until you become an E-5 which is a Staff Sergeant in the Air Force and just happens to be my current rank (Although I am way overdue for E-6). __________________ Check out my 1980's vintage toy room. It's full of rare and high grade toys from the greatest decade ever. http://s1050.photobucket.com/user/Jo...src=wap&page=1

01-03-2008, 02:20 PM	#8
paulpratt Good times abound. Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Scott AFB, IL. Posts: 1,339	GI Joe is filled with weird stuff like that. Flint is listed as a Warrant Officer in the Army, but his rank has him at an E-5 pay grade. Britain has warrants at NCO ranks, but in America they carry the same weight as their comissioned officer counterparts (in theory anyway). My father is a W-4 in the Army. Instead of being a jack of all trades like normal officers, warrants choose a specialty, usually as pilots like Flint, and master it. In reality Flint would out rank Duke. In fact, a lot of Joes outrank Duke, but that's a different story. I completely agree that the 25th line is a complete "reboot" (for lack of a better term) for the Real American hero line, but i would have expected technical hiccups like that to be fixed. Not that it makes the toys any less interesting or less enjoyable. We can all ignore the file cards anyway, but it would have just been cool to have all those things corrected. Not a huge deal... anyway... I think the tiger force one fixes it... __________________ Last edited by paulpratt; 01-03-2008 at 02:23 PM..