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07-09-2020, 04:03 AM | #23491 |
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Curious why you don't include a security element. I figure that would be a perfect place for Joes such as Shockwave, Lockdown, Red Zone, etc.
Some of my comms guys (typically the 18E's or SEAL/SWCC Communicators) are placed as Troop Communicators in the Sabre Squadrons. There will also be an 18E/SWCC/SEAL Comms placed in each Sabre Squadron HQ element as well. They will definitely deploy with the assaulters and in some cases will be part of an assault or recon team. My support squadron comms will mainly be from the 25 series branch and will be the ones either back at base or a FOB setting up a base station. Also will include soldiers from the 17 and 35 MOS branches as well. Same with medical, 18D's, 68W's and Navy Hospital Corpsmen will act as the Troop Medics and be part of assault and recon teams. The Combat Service Support Squadron will have a unit based on a US Army SORT(which you made me aware of a while back ago) with a Medical Doctor (perfect for Doc) and three 68W's (along with four others in the medical branch). Looking at that USMC CBIRF would make the most sense since my Joe team's main focus is WMD. https://www.globalsecurity.org/milit...usmc/cbirf.htm and a great article with pics to show how the Technical Rescue Platoon works in practice. https://www.wearethemighty.com/artic...ogical-attacks I don't have a dedicated security element (at the moment anyway) because I envision my Joe Team operating very differently from the CBIRF. The CBIRF is called in AFTER a significant event whereas my Joe Team will be operational to stop something happening. Thus they don't really need a security element and if they do, I'll use Greenshirts to provide security. All the security types like Shockwave, I've established as part of the Joe's "Domestic Employment Force". Basically two SWAT teams are available for Joe Domestic operations, one with Bulletproof, Shockwave, Barricade etc and the other with the COPS characters. As for the Communication types, I think my organization is exactly like yours. |
07-09-2020, 07:46 AM | #23492 |
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Thanks for the links!
Interesting in the first article it states the CBIRF was stood up in 1996 but later says they were on readiness for the 1991 State of the Union address..... Since you incorporate both civilian and military personnel in your Joe structure who would be the overall person in charge? Would it be commanded by a someone in the military or a civilian? |
07-09-2020, 08:04 AM | #23493 |
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One thing I forgot to add was about Military Working Dog Handlers. I have a small security element made of MP's who would provide security for the support squadrons while the Sabre Squadrons are doing their assault/recon missions. Within the Security Element would be MWD Handlers but my question is would they also do a dual role of going with an Assault Team to perform a mission of say building clearing and a secondary role of providing security for the support squadrons? Or would there be a one set of handlers to assist the Sabre Squadrons and another to perform security? I know military dogs are trained for different missions so wasn't; sure if this would translate to these two roles as well.
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07-15-2020, 11:11 AM | #23494 |
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Thanks for the links!
Interesting in the first article it states the CBIRF was stood up in 1996 but later says they were on readiness for the 1991 State of the Union address..... Since you incorporate both civilian and military personnel in your Joe structure who would be the overall person in charge? Would it be commanded by a someone in the military or a civilian? |
07-15-2020, 11:41 AM | #23495 |
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One thing I forgot to add was about Military Working Dog Handlers. I have a small security element made of MP's who would provide security for the support squadrons while the Sabre Squadrons are doing their assault/recon missions. Within the Security Element would be MWD Handlers but my question is would they also do a dual role of going with an Assault Team to perform a mission of say building clearing and a secondary role of providing security for the support squadrons? Or would there be a one set of handlers to assist the Sabre Squadrons and another to perform security? I know military dogs are trained for different missions so wasn't; sure if this would translate to these two roles as well.
For Example, a few pages back, I posted a link to Ranger Combat Support (Military Police). Ranger companies have a MWD section to provide operational support to Ranger missions. When deployed as a Ranger Assault Force, a Military Police element is normally attached for security support and it will usually have a MWD detachment. Edit - Actually thinking about it, MARSOC Raider companies are probably a better example; MSOC's have attached Multi-Purpose Canine Handlers who undergo Special Operations Capability - Specialist (SOCS) training and provide support on a Team and Element basis. From wikipedia; The Special Operations Training Course (SOTC) is six months of unhindered, realistic, challenging basic and intermediate Special Operations Forces (SOF) warfighting skills training. During STC, the Special Operations Capabilities Specialists will also attend Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape (SERE) training along with a MARSOF Level 1 Course specific to their MOS: Explosive Ordnance Disposal (6 weeks), Communications (12 weeks), Intelligence (14–17 weeks), Joint Terminal Attack Controller (4 weeks), Multi-Purpose Canine (10 weeks) There are also MP Dog Handlers at the Combat Service Support (Comapny / Battalion) level and provide regular Military Police support. They undergo Special Operations Combat Service Specialists (SOCS-S) training which involves core skills for joint and interagency work as well as enhanced SOF combat skills training to enable their successful integration and survivability in special operations environments. The training is tough but much less than SOCS training. Here's a good link for what's involved; https://bootcampmilitaryfitnessinsti...tion-training/ |
07-15-2020, 12:02 PM | #23496 |
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Not to derail the conversation, but is anybody got the Larry Hama figure and are you incorporating him somehow into your Joeverse?
You mentioned Tyroc having the Civilian/Military Jugglers running the Joes. I too have the Jugglers running things but mine are all military. (Colton, Austin, Hollingsworth, Keel-Haul, LJ Flagg, Sharpe) However I have plenty of MTF figures that look the part of CIA/SAD or whatever secret Government agency fits(S.H.I.E.L.D) Not even sure what I will do whenever Eagle Force shows up. Still I haven't figured out how to add him yet.
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07-15-2020, 02:34 PM | #23497 |
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hey, everybody. I saw an article on CNN the other day that a woman is joining the Green Berets. You can now integrate Scarlett, Lady Jaye and anyone else realistically as Joes.
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07-15-2020, 04:56 PM | #23498 |
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In My opinion, the G.I. JOE universe runs on a different reality... That's why the Joes and Cobra had tech that is 15 to 30 years ahead of its time. This would also include women being in key positions of the military (mostly intelligence via Ranger training) as far back as the '80s.
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07-15-2020, 11:21 PM | #23499 |
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I’ll pretend he is an advisor to the G.I. Joe team, with the highest clearance level. He mysteriously seems to have unlimited knowledge about everyone in the G.I. Joeverse, and nobody has figured out yet that he is in part, their creator. Larry Hama knows that they are all make believe characters, but he keeps that information to himself for now.
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07-16-2020, 06:44 AM | #23500 |
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Definitely separate teams mostly due to the level of training and level of support involved. I guess it also depends on the scale and duration of the mission, level of secrecy and how many personnel need to be guarded.
For Example, a few pages back, I posted a link to Ranger Combat Support (Military Police). Ranger companies have a MWD section to provide operational support to Ranger missions. When deployed as a Ranger Assault Force, a Military Police element is normally attached for security support and it will usually have a MWD detachment. Edit - Actually thinking about it, MARSOC Raider companies are probably a better example; MSOC's have attached Multi-Purpose Canine Handlers who undergo Special Operations Capability - Specialist (SOCS) training and provide support on a Team and Element basis. From wikipedia; The Special Operations Training Course (SOTC) is six months of unhindered, realistic, challenging basic and intermediate Special Operations Forces (SOF) warfighting skills training. During STC, the Special Operations Capabilities Specialists will also attend Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape (SERE) training along with a MARSOF Level 1 Course specific to their MOS: Explosive Ordnance Disposal (6 weeks), Communications (12 weeks), Intelligence (14–17 weeks), Joint Terminal Attack Controller (4 weeks), Multi-Purpose Canine (10 weeks) There are also MP Dog Handlers at the Combat Service Support (Comapny / Battalion) level and provide regular Military Police support. They undergo Special Operations Combat Service Specialists (SOCS-S) training which involves core skills for joint and interagency work as well as enhanced SOF combat skills training to enable their successful integration and survivability in special operations environments. The training is tough but much less than SOCS training. Here's a good link for what's involved; https://bootcampmilitaryfitnessinsti...tion-training/ On another note I am still trying to pigeonhole my Mobility Troop. My thought was to have Mobility Troops in each Sabre Squadron but for a unit that specializes in WMD I would think they would need a dedicated transportation section to haul away heavy weapons from secured weapons sites that the Joes capture. So my thought was still having Mobility Troops for assault and in some cases acting as the "taxi drivers" for the other Troops (HALO, SCUBA, and Mountain) during large assaults but also having a separate transportation squadron. |
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