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07-05-2020, 03:43 PM | #23481 |
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Two questions:
First does anyone know if it is required for any US Army 18 series (B,C,D,E) MOS is to go 18F around E-7? Or can a Special Forces soldier continue in their respective MOS until they reach the rank of E-8 (and thus be an 18Z)? Trying to figure out my E-7 SF Joes. Second trying to flesh out my support squadrons in my Joe-verse with the team being tasked with WMD as their primary mission type. Some of the names were borrowed from Tyroc's Joeverse many pages ago: Combat Support Squadron: MPC Handlers, EOD, Master Breachers, EOD, CBRN, Fires Support Mission Support Squadron: HUMINT/CI, SIGNINT, Psychological Ops, Special Reconnaissance Troop Combat Service Support Squadron: Mechanics, Communications, Medical, Training Cell. R&D Air Mobility Squadron: Helicopter and Fixed Wing Pilots Maritime Mobility Squadron: Boat Crews, Dive Locker Unknown name Squadron (similar to USAF REDHORSE): Combat Engineers, MP's, Firefighters My questions are should EOD and CBRN maybe be on the "REDHORSE" squadron as they would most likely deploy with them or maybe throw all of them under the Combat Service Support Squadron? And should the communications specialists be under the Mission Support Squadron along with the other technical Joes? The comms guys would be responsible for setting up base stations whereas the tech Joes in the Mission Support Squadron do more in line with signals intelligence, electronic warfare, etc. |
07-05-2020, 04:23 PM | #23482 |
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From what I have read about the British Army Royal Corps of Signals and seen on their Facebook page they do field sigint, EW, tech support for IT and radio kit and set up the commo gear. So I would personally put all the commo guys in the one unit.
(Field sigint as in tactical stuff as opposed to the stuff GCHQ and NSA do) |
07-06-2020, 07:52 AM | #23483 |
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From what I have read about the British Army Royal Corps of Signals and seen on their Facebook page they do field sigint, EW, tech support for IT and radio kit and set up the commo gear. So I would personally put all the commo guys in the one unit.
(Field sigint as in tactical stuff as opposed to the stuff GCHQ and NSA do) |
07-06-2020, 02:24 PM | #23484 |
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well, speaking personally, I would tend to think either lump all the commo guys into one Signals Squadron, your engineers/mechanics/firefighters/R&D/EOD/CBRN into one Engineer Squadron, stick medical into a separate troop, then have your air mobility squadron and boat crew squadron, your combat squadrons of the shooters and your intelligence sqaudron of SR, HUMINT, Psyops and counter-intel.
or you stick to SIGNINT being separate to normal commos. I mean, really it is up to you and you can structure the unit how you want and justify it as a special case for the GI Joe team, who, let's face it, are not a normal military unit in any continuity. It's that or do what I did with the Black Sword verse and strip out anyone who's not a shooter bar your medics like Doc, Lifeline and Med-Alert and whatever intel weenies you want to keep in like Chuckles or Scarlett or Ninja Force (if you were going to CIA SAD route for them) and leave the team to simply call in whatever external support they need on an ad-hoc basis. |
07-06-2020, 11:40 PM | #23485 |
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Two questions:
First does anyone know if it is required for any US Army 18 series (B,C,D,E) MOS is to go 18F around E-7? Or can a Special Forces soldier continue in their respective MOS until they reach the rank of E-8 (and thus be an 18Z)? Trying to figure out my E-7 SF Joes. Second trying to flesh out my support squadrons in my Joe-verse with the team being tasked with WMD as their primary mission type. Some of the names were borrowed from Tyroc's Joeverse many pages ago: Combat Support Squadron: MPC Handlers, EOD, Master Breachers, EOD, CBRN, Fires Support Mission Support Squadron: HUMINT/CI, SIGNINT, Psychological Ops, Special Reconnaissance Troop Combat Service Support Squadron: Mechanics, Communications, Medical, Training Cell. R&D Air Mobility Squadron: Helicopter and Fixed Wing Pilots Maritime Mobility Squadron: Boat Crews, Dive Locker Unknown name Squadron (similar to USAF REDHORSE): Combat Engineers, MP's, Firefighters My questions are should EOD and CBRN maybe be on the "REDHORSE" squadron as they would most likely deploy with them or maybe throw all of them under the Combat Service Support Squadron? And should the communications specialists be under the Mission Support Squadron along with the other technical Joes? The comms guys would be responsible for setting up base stations whereas the tech Joes in the Mission Support Squadron do more in line with signals intelligence, electronic warfare, etc. |
07-08-2020, 10:47 AM | #23486 |
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My questions are should EOD and CBRN maybe be on the "REDHORSE" squadron as they would most likely deploy with them or maybe throw all of them under the Combat Service Support Squadron? And should the communications specialists be under the Mission Support Squadron along with the other technical Joes? The comms guys would be responsible for setting up base stations whereas the tech Joes in the Mission Support Squadron do more in line with signals intelligence, electronic warfare, etc.
At the moment, I've organized my Combat Support Squadron on the USMC's Chemical Biological Incident Response Force. Here's a link to a really old Table of Organization and Equipment https://www.globalsecurity.org/milit...and/To4958.htm The CBIRF has the following; Command Element; CBRN Reconnaissance Element; CBRN Decontamination Element; EOD Element; Technical Rescue Element (Firefighters specializing in Search & Rescue Ops) Engineer Element; Security Element (Which I don't use) Communications Support Element; a Medical Element; Support Element; It's a bit old but it works well as a blueprint to base something off, I just add the JTAC's and the Military Working Dogs (the CBIRF probably has a Explosive Detection dog section attached now). I have a more up to date file somewhere detailing what each section does but I can't find it on my laptop. I'll have a look at my drive and post it later As for the Communications guys, I just spent 40 mins writing a response and realized it was pure drivel, I'll write something more coherent in the morning. Just a question though, how are your communications guys going to be used? Are they going to go out on patrols with the assault / recon teams or are they going to be base bound or a mix? Last edited by Tyroc; 07-08-2020 at 11:29 AM.. |
07-08-2020, 11:43 AM | #23487 |
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These things are always fun to read. I had to look up a few units names I didn't know. ROWPU section. Embarkation Section? What's that? The Security section platoons all have SSGT as platoon leaders. Still having a dozen warehouse clerks is sort tough to pigeonhole someone into. I guess that's what green Shirts are for.
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07-08-2020, 07:09 PM | #23488 |
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Like Cap said, putting all the Engineer types together and all the Commo guys together makes the most sense. I guess it helps that in the Commonwealth, Engineer type career fields are lumped together whereas in the US they are separate career fields (EOD, CBRN, Combat Engineer, Firefighter).
At the moment, I've organized my Combat Support Squadron on the USMC's Chemical Biological Incident Response Force. Here's a link to a really old Table of Organization and Equipment https://www.globalsecurity.org/milit...and/To4958.htm The CBIRF has the following; Command Element; CBRN Reconnaissance Element; CBRN Decontamination Element; EOD Element; Technical Rescue Element (Firefighters specializing in Search & Rescue Ops) Engineer Element; Security Element (Which I don't use) Communications Support Element; a Medical Element; Support Element; It's a bit old but it works well as a blueprint to base something off, I just add the JTAC's and the Military Working Dogs (the CBIRF probably has a Explosive Detection dog section attached now). I have a more up to date file somewhere detailing what each section does but I can't find it on my laptop. I'll have a look at my drive and post it later As for the Communications guys, I just spent 40 mins writing a response and realized it was pure drivel, I'll write something more coherent in the morning. Just a question though, how are your communications guys going to be used? Are they going to go out on patrols with the assault / recon teams or are they going to be base bound or a mix? Curious why you don't include a security element. I figure that would be a perfect place for Joes such as Shockwave, Lockdown, Red Zone, etc. Some of my comms guys (typically the 18E's or SEAL/SWCC Communicators) are placed as Troop Communicators in the Sabre Squadrons. There will also be an 18E/SWCC/SEAL Comms placed in each Sabre Squadron HQ element as well. They will definitely deploy with the assaulters and in some cases will be part of an assault or recon team. My support squadron comms will mainly be from the 25 series branch and will be the ones either back at base or a FOB setting up a base station. Also will include soldiers from the 17 and 35 MOS branches as well. Same with medical, 18D's, 68W's and Navy Hospital Corpsmen will act as the Troop Medics and be part of assault and recon teams. The Combat Service Support Squadron will have a unit based on a US Army SORT(which you made me aware of a while back ago) with a Medical Doctor (perfect for Doc) and three 68W's (along with four others in the medical branch). Looking at that USMC CBIRF would make the most sense since my Joe team's main focus is WMD. |
07-08-2020, 09:44 PM | #23489 |
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These things are always fun to read. I had to look up a few units names I didn't know. ROWPU section. Embarkation Section? What's that? The Security section platoons all have SSGT as platoon leaders. Still having a dozen warehouse clerks is sort tough to pigeonhole someone into. I guess that's what green Shirts are for.
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07-08-2020, 11:04 PM | #23490 |
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I did. I'm just imagining the codenames for those guys. Or does it go to zHardtop and Slipstream since there's no pilots here.
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