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10-13-2015, 12:03 PM | #20141 |
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Still in the end the Joes are a little top heavy, but that is to be expected. The training requirements just to get to the point where they would become Joes, makes them all at least E-6s, which is in line with Special Forces. Delta must be even higher. A newbee Green Beret might be an E-5, and he probably wouldn't be ready for the Joes.
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10-13-2015, 12:26 PM | #20142 |
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Ha I'd be hiding too.
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10-13-2015, 07:05 PM | #20143 |
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To be honest, I wasn't happy with the structure. I've since gone back to the drawing board. I couldn't make it work with the named Joes we have, even throwing in all the foreign variant and comic characters I was left with 1 1/2 Squadrons. Also, I've gotten bogged down in the nitty gritty of what kind of training they have to go through to get where they are. It's sidetracked me (but in a good way). Some days I think I'll never get a structure I'm happy with :(
HQ Troop Commander Troop Sergeant Troop Medic Troop Communicator 2x Assault Teams (Six members each) 1x Sniper/Recce Team (Four members) My main issue now is do I make the entire Troop specialize in the same insertion method or do I go with what I have read about Delta in that each Team specializes in an insertion method? If the Assault Team 1 is MFF-qualifed and Assault Team 2 is Mobility based then where does that leave the HQ and Sniper Teams? Are they qualified in all insertion methods (HALO, SCUBA, Mountain and Mobility) or just a certain type? |
10-13-2015, 07:59 PM | #20144 |
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I've gone back and forth on structures myself, but now I'm back at how it's always portrayed: a collection of soldiers. I see it as a completely networked unit of specialists. Someone gets assigned a task and then simply draws on specialists as required. No troops or squadrons or fixed teams - just a bunch of soldiers honing their specific skill sets. It would be a nightmare to administer, but then I think we all agree that Joe has screwed up career progression, so this gives a purely operational focus.
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10-17-2015, 10:29 AM | #20145 |
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So I've been slowly redoing the Joes, re imagining them in a more contemporary realistic setting. It actually helps alot with placement in my structure. Anyway, I did Stalker a few pages back. Now it's Steeler's turn.
The problem I had with Steeler is two-fold. 1) He has 3 different Career branches; Artillery, Armor and Transport. Most Officers only have the one branch till they reach Captain and even then Transport is a Combat Service Support branch. 2) He may be an Officer but after a quick re-read of his ARAH appearance, seems to me that Larry Hama wrote him as an E-5 instead of an O-1 or O-2. The clearest indication for me was in an issue of Declassified (which Hama is on record saying that it's cannon) where he pushes the Chaplain's Asst's around in the Mess Hall. If he was an officer, wouldn't he be dining in the Officer's Mess? Anyway, in my update; Steeler wanted to go to West Point, but his attitude to superiors rose up in an interview with a Senator who was supposed to support his application. He lost his cool and with it, any hopes of West Point. With no money and little chance of a scholarship, he enlists straight out of High School. Goes to Armor School and becomes a 19K M1A1 Armor Crewman. He excels in the army and is quickly promoted to Tank Commander and is honorably discharged as an E-5. Attends Penn State as an Engineering Major on a ROTC schoalrship after realizing the GI Bill at 36 months won't cover his Mechanical Engineering degree all the way. Works for his Uncle's Construction business as a Heavy Vehicle operator on a casual basis. Whilst in ROTC, completes Airborne, Air Assault and Basic Mountaineering Summer Courses. Also gets the ROTC Ranger Challenge Tab. Although he does very well, his problems with dealing with superior officers resurfaces and a vengeful personnel Officer assigns him a billet as a Transportation Officer, although his 3 choices were all Combat Arms. He gets the 'Needs of the Army' speech. Luck smiles on him as he gets Branch Detailed to Armor Making the best of the situation and keeping his temper in check, he sails through the Armor Basic Officer Leadership Course (ABOLC) as the distinguished Honor Graduate (top of his class) as a Cavalry Officer. Attends the follow on Armor Reconnaissance Course and Stryker Leader Courses. Graduates Ranger School as the William Darby Distinguished Graduate award winner. After serving briefly as a Distribution Platoon Leader, his request for branch transfer is approved. (This takes care of 2 of his MOS's) Serves as a Stryker Platoon Leader with the 21st Infantry Regiment (1 year, 4 months) Serves as a Ranger Mobility Platoon Leader (Rangers have 18 Stryker Vehicles now) (2 years) Attends the Joint Fires Observer Course (filling that Artillery School mention on his FC) Serves as a Troop Commander with the 32nd Cavalry Regiment (1 year) Attends the Maneuver Captain's Career Course (MCCC) Serves as a Ranger Company Commander (1 year) Serves briefly in a USSOCOM Program Executive Office as a Subject Matter Expert on Armored Fighting Vehicles (the Cadre AFV mention on his FC) before preparing to go to the US Army War College. Scouted by both Delta and the Asymmetric Warfare Group, he joins the GI JOE program instead and is one of only 2 Officers (and 11 NCO's) to make it through the first Selection and Assessment. He completes the Operator Training and serves as a Mobility Assault Troop Commander. What do you boys think? Is it plausible? I know that there are some billets he's filled that traditionally need an 11A billet and he's cavalry but I was talking to a guy who said that the lines between Infantry / Armor / Cavalry Officers are becoming more blurry. |
10-17-2015, 12:27 PM | #20146 |
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Nice. You gotta do more. That is quite the career track. Is he listed as infantry on any of his Filecards? Do you have him as a Captain promotable to Major when he joins the Joes?
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10-17-2015, 01:05 PM | #20147 |
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He isn't Infantry on any of his filecards. Just the same 3 MOS's; Artillery, Armor and Transportation. I'm still unsure about some of his career but from my research it seems that guys in the IBOLC (Infantry Leader Course) will do a few modules of the Armor Track these days just because of the increased usage of the Bradley IFV. Both Armor Officers and Infantry can command Stryker units (I think) and these days there's alot of blending amongst the Combat Arms Officers. I've read that there were some Artillery units that were used as Infantry in Afghanistan & Iraq (they called them Infantillery units) I went with Strykers because the Rangers have Strykers now. One Platoon in each company is a Mobility Platoon and according to the doctrine I read they're capable of transporting a whole company in Stryker Vehicles OR they can be used as a regular platoon. It'd be easier to make him Infantry but to me it didn't feel right for the character. I did find there were some Armor trained Officers who ended up in Special Mission Units (like Peter Schoomaker) but they went Armor to Special Forces and Steeler didn't seem like a SF fit. The next one on my list is Duke. I've done alot of background stuff already and boy they have him fluent in a ton of languages. Oh and he'll be a junior to mid career Major when he joins the Joes. |
10-17-2015, 02:37 PM | #20148 |
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Steeler or Duke as a Major?
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10-17-2015, 02:49 PM | #20149 |
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Thanks, believe it or not but his career track (minus the prior enlisted) is a combination of 2 real Cavalry Officer / Rangers.
He isn't Infantry on any of his filecards. Just the same 3 MOS's; Artillery, Armor and Transportation. I'm still unsure about some of his career but from my research it seems that guys in the IBOLC (Infantry Leader Course) will do a few modules of the Armor Track these days just because of the increased usage of the Bradley IFV. Both Armor Officers and Infantry can command Stryker units (I think) and these days there's alot of blending amongst the Combat Arms Officers. I've read that there were some Artillery units that were used as Infantry in Afghanistan & Iraq (they called them Infantillery units) I went with Strykers because the Rangers have Strykers now. One Platoon in each company is a Mobility Platoon and according to the doctrine I read they're capable of transporting a whole company in Stryker Vehicles OR they can be used as a regular platoon. It'd be easier to make him Infantry but to me it didn't feel right for the character. I did find there were some Armor trained Officers who ended up in Special Mission Units (like Peter Schoomaker) but they went Armor to Special Forces and Steeler didn't seem like a SF fit. The next one on my list is Duke. I've done alot of background stuff already and boy they have him fluent in a ton of languages. Oh and he'll be a junior to mid career Major when he joins the Joes. Over the years, I have pondered the MOS issue (branch designation in the Army) for officers. Up until say WWII, although maybe earlier, WWI even, you didn't have all these permanent support fields. In the Marine Corps, officers were just officers, you didn't have separate branches or MOSes for them. But then being a Marine was sort of like being Cavalry or Infantry, it was its own specialized form of combat. Now, and in some ways since WWII, the operational difference between Marines and Army has disappeared. Sure, Marines are amphibious, but the Army can be at times if needed. The Army does helo assault, but so do we. Ditto on armored infantry. In the Marine Corps, an infantry officer could do a tour as a platoon commander in a boat company, doing rubber boat stuff, then next time around, be part of the amtrac company or even go to the LAR Bn and tool around in an LAV which is pretty much a Stryker. really neat story for Steeler. That is what life is like for a junior officer, one school after another interupted by deployments. |
10-17-2015, 04:32 PM | #20150 |
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the only real difference between the USMC and the US Army, according to a thing I read on wikipedia, is that the Marines have everything integrated into one command; air, armour, artillery, infantry.
TBH, I feel if you're going to do a modern update and change things in the Joes, you might just as well sling everything out except their names and basic functions - EG: Steeler being a tank commander from Pittsburgh called Ralph Pulaski. or Torpedo being a Navy SEAL from Hawai'i. It was what I did with my Black Sword fic. hell, I didn't even entirely keep anything beyond their real names and codenames with some, since I made Hit&Run a Delta operator not a light infantryman and I made Cloudburst into a helo pilot and changed several of the helo pilots' service branches. |
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