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05-20-2011, 04:44 PM | #16271 |
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I've just seen it on the specwargear site. For a Vietnam era camo wetsuit. I'd think it'd either be foreign or spray painted.
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05-20-2011, 04:47 PM | #16272 |
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Could be a commercial design as well that wasn't initially intended for actual government forces use. There are only a few "vertical" camo patterns that have been in official use among the major military organizations in the world since the 1960s, and the one in that picture doesn't conform to any one of them off the top of my head. It almost looks like the old "little oak" pattern used by the Soviets back in the day, but it's different somehow.
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05-20-2011, 05:32 PM | #16273 |
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And the reason you're aren't finding anything on Google is probably because you're searching for "camouflage wetsuits," which can be traced to a fault in the reference material you've drawn the term from. Combat swimmers from different countries do in fact use swimming attire printed in woodland (and other pattern) camouflage, but they aren't wetsuits. They are "drysuits" (that is, suits that are designed to prevent water from coming into contact with the wearer's skin, unlike wetsuits).
Here's an example of a camouflage drysuit in woodland/M81 camo: A Google image search for "camouflage drysuit" or "woodland camouflage drysuit" should yield more examples. Quote:
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Could be a commercial design as well that wasn't initially intended for actual government forces use. There are only a few "vertical" camo patterns that have been in official use among the major military organizations in the world since the 1960s, and the one in that picture doesn't conform to any one of them off the top of my head. It almost looks like the old "little oak" pattern used by the Soviets back in the day, but it's different somehow.
kamouflage.net — NVA Strichtarnmuster Looks to have a similar vertical pattern, though obviously is not the same and is simply stripy (though that's what I was thinking of). I guess that pattern comes from this one: kamouflage.net — Wehrmachts-Sumpfmuster 44 i.e. swamp/marsh patterning (which fits in with some sort of wet/drysuit usage and might explain the design of the unknown pattern above) Yes that was my assumption, but I was just wondering whether there were any decent sources around for any sorts of camouflage used for underwater equipment. Last edited by lardman; 05-20-2011 at 05:35 PM.. |
05-20-2011, 05:54 PM | #16274 |
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Well possibly, but I was simply wondering whether camouflage was used for wetsuits (both for use in the underwater stages, as well as the out of the water stages). I'd guess that there are better colours to hide in underwater than black...
... Yes that was my assumption, but I was just wondering whether there were any decent sources around for any sorts of camouflage used for underwater equipment. Last edited by zuludelta; 05-20-2011 at 06:08 PM.. |
05-20-2011, 07:32 PM | #16275 |
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I'd say black is the "default" camouflage for most military combat diving gear. Past a certain dive depth (I think 3 meters or so, but don't hold me to that), colour and contrast don't really matter all that much in terms of blending in, as the water would absorb the longer wavelengths of light and render everything in a bluish-green hue, no matter what its colour is when viewed above-water, unless you were viewing something underwater with the aid of a particularly powerful light-source, like say, from an underwater film camera set-up like they use to shoot documentaries and such. If there was anything significantly superior to black as the default underwater equipment colour scheme, I would suppose modern submarines and US Navy SEAL SDVs and UK SBS mini-subs would have been painted in those patterns by now. But those are still overwhelmingly painted in black. Those camouflage drysuits aren't really intended as underwater camouflage, it's just to streamline the transition from "brown water" combat swimming to terrestrial operations.
Supposedly it wasn't manly enough for the USAF top brass.
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05-20-2011, 08:44 PM | #16276 |
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Good point.
That was the reason? Geez. All this time, I assumed they went with black radar-absorbent paint for the F-117 for consistency's sake, even when advances in radar absorbent paint began to allow for different colours (the earliest F-117s were by default black because of the "carbon black" neoprene sheets they used as radar absorbent coating, before the Air Force developed more advanced radar absorbent paint that could be produced in different custom colours). Still, something like that shouldn't surprise me... there've been some pretty ridiculous acquisition/design decisions made by brass (both in the States and elsewhere) over the years that have little or absolutely nothing to do with practical and operational concerns, and more with concerns about image or interservice rivalries or contractor favouritism/lobbying or all those other extraneous things (don't get me started on the long, drawn-out, and special interest group-infested search for a new standard personal weapon for the Army... I'm surprised nobody's made some sort of exposé-style documentary about it yet). Last edited by zuludelta; 05-20-2011 at 08:57 PM.. |
05-20-2011, 09:08 PM | #16277 |
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Good point.
That was the reason? Geez. All this time, I assumed they went with black radar-absorbent paint for the F-117 for consistency's sake, even when advances in radar absorbent paint began to allow for different colours (the earliest F-117s were by default black because of the "carbon black" neoprene sheets they used as radar absorbent coating, before the Air Force developed more advanced radar absorbent paint that could be produced in different custom colours). Still, something like that shouldn't surprise me... there've been some pretty ridiculous acquisition/design decisions made by brass (both in the States and elsewhere) over the years that have little or absolutely nothing to do with practical and operational concerns, and more with concerns about image or interservice rivalries or contractor favouritism/lobbying or all those other extraneous things (don't get me started on the long, drawn-out, and special interest group-infested search for a new standard personal weapon for the Army... I'm surprised nobody's made some sort of exposé-style documentary about it yet).
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05-20-2011, 09:24 PM | #16278 |
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Yeah, I guess to be fair to the "let's just go with black" camp, daytime air-to-air (and even many surface-to-air) engagements these days occur at ranges where the advantages offered by visual camouflage are probably minimal, if they exist at all.
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05-21-2011, 04:52 AM | #16279 |
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Regarding camo on that F-117, I seem to remember one of the issues was with paint falling off, which would then add cost to re-apply it (but perhaps this was something else I can't remember).
Onto the camo itself - it presumably has that pattern so that it's camouflaged from the air, while it's sat on the ground. The F-117 would not be flying low enough that that type of pattern would be effective. I'd expect something more like the F-15/22's all over grey colouring if anything. Equally if the aircraft normally fly during the day and at high altitude they might be expected to be pink on their undersides (see the Spitfire colouring from WW2) but as they usually fly at night and are well protected on the ground, it probably just doesn't make any sense to bother fiddling around trying to get paint to adhere. |
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