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10-28-2009, 05:43 PM | #9881 |
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Any of you guys read the Op-Center series of novels started by Tom Clancy? It seems like a good starting point for a Joe-verse type thing. Basically, "Op-Center" is the code-name for the National Crisis Management Center, a top-secret agency that reports directly to the President. It's headed by a presidential appointee (civilian, naturally) but has a small military special operations arm called the Striker Team (headed by a general) and it also has access to FBI and National Guard assets, allowing it to operate in both international and domestic crisis situations. Sounds like a nice set-up for the Joe team to get around the Posse Comitatus act, and it also creates a place for the Joes who, if we go by their filecards or branch of service, would be more at home with the Department of Homeland Security than with the Department of Defense (guys like Bulletproof and Cutter).
The Striker Team would be similar to NEST in TF:ROTF, small and mobile unit with some light armor but able to call in for more heavy reinforcements (tanks, etc..) and air support as needed. I even like the idea of operating out of tractor trailers as well, that was a pretty cool idea and great way to get armor/cavalry units around the country. Now how would it be headed up... That is the question... Joint Civilian/Military command unit or 1 over all operations chief?
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10-28-2009, 08:17 PM | #9882 |
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Have we confirmed Stalker as a Green Beret yet? He's got the skills, but I can't find anything that might suggest he's a Green Beret other then the qualifications like medic and language skills mentioned on his file card. I think that a Ranger on LRRP in Vietnam would have just as much use for those skills as a Green Beret. What did you guys decide to do with Stalker?
So it's certainly feasible that Stalker attended SF training after AIT and before going to Vietnam and then served with a LRRP unit while he was there. Perhaps this is what the artist/illustrator who designed Stalker was thinking or perhaps Hama omitted his SF training because he wanted to emphasize his status as a Ranger/LRRP and thought it more important or maybe he's just a Ranger/LRRP and nothing more, but for the sake of my Vietnam story and to explain Stalker's green beret, medical training and some of his language skills, I'm going to make him SF. Last edited by Tanksmasher; 10-28-2009 at 08:22 PM.. |
10-28-2009, 08:30 PM | #9883 |
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10-28-2009, 09:40 PM | #9885 |
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I use him to lead the Rangers because of the cartoon and Blackhawk Down. From the cartoon it seemed like he was always working with new recruits and was kind of at the first level of command under Hawk, Duke, Flint, and Slaughter. Also, watching Blackhawk Down, it seems like the younger Rangers look up to and try to emulate the more experienced Delta guys. There's the scene where Eric Bana and a few of the Rangers fight their way to the crash site on foot. That's kind of what I was going for. Some of the newer figures seem younger to me, so putting them on teams with Stalker and Beachhead as the first level of command seemed like a sound set up. I can see them being some of the most respected Joes and the younger guys would and should emulate them. Also my set up is a little jerry rigged together due to a lack of some key figures, but with the figures I have available, this seemed like the best set up to me. I don't have enough Green Berets to set them aside on their own and if Stalker becomes a Green Beret I may have to do that. That would leave a serious gap in my Ranger leadership. Hopefully I can figure out who my "Sgt Eversman" is and can bump Beachhead out to where he belongs once I get my hands on enough figures.
I see him in the same role. I really liked Beachhead as the Sgt Major in the DDP run. He just comes across like Sam Elliot in We Were Soldiers but way younger. And much like Eric Bana's character in Blackhawk down. Quote:
I just had an FAA inspector on my jumpseat today and he was asking if I had any interest in becoming an inspector. He said they start out making 70,000 I think and then over 90,000 in a couple years. He said he was a GS 13 paygrade, which I thought was high but I don't know what the numbers really mean, relative to the military.
My Parents and my wife are all government. My Wife is a GS-14, and so is my Mother. Money is good especially in the DC area, but that sounds right. Conversely when my father retired as a GS-15 last year (The highest you can go) he got his GS-13 in like 1986!! He told me that he was equivalent to a Brigadier General. I think it really has to do with age and experience, and depends on the job. Deputy Directors and Program Managers will all be at least GS-15s. After that they need to move to SES (Senior Executive Service) which is at least 0-6 or Higher. From 2008: http://www.defenselink.mil/comptroll...appendix_b.pdf Quote:
I think the Collector's Club does a way better job about filecards than Hasbro does. Not sure why they decided to make him a Green Beret, but why not. Anyone got the Ranger list for thegame68? Here's all the Rangers and Ranger School Grads I can think of. (I still keep Beachhead with my Rangers mostly.) Claymore Stalker (Seems so SF it's ridiculous) Snake-Eyes (May be SF also) Scarlett Clutch Starduster Alpine Lady-Jaye Crackcase Beachhead Crazy-Legs Sneak-Peek Skydive Dart Rampage Muskrat Sidetrack V2 Roadblock based on the Declassified series Then there are the Guys we just don't know. Repeater - based on his Hat Outback - Based on Quote From the Ranger's Handbook (May be SF though) Grid-Iron (Has to be as a Career Infantry Officer) Pathfinder (come on) Recoil (More than likely) Recondo (At least, but could be SF) Altitude (Again a Career infantryman would most likely attend Ranger School at some point) We could probably make a case for both Double-Blast and Big Brawler as E-8, but that is debatable. Same for all the Paratroopers minus Drop-Zone. |
10-28-2009, 09:48 PM | #9886 |
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I see him in the same role. I really liked Beachhead as the Sgt Major in the DDP run. He just comes across like Sam Elliot in We Were Soldiers but way younger. And much like Eric Bana's character in Blackhawk down.
My Parents and my wife are all government. My Wife is a GS-14, and so is my Mother. Money is good especially in the DC area, but that sounds right. Conversely when my father retired as a GS-15 last year (The highest you can go) he got his GS-13 in like 1986!! He told me that he was equivalent to a Brigadier General. I think it really has to do with age and experience, and depends on the job. Deputy Directors and Program Managers will all be at least GS-15s. After that they need to move to SES (Senior Executive Service) which is at least 0-6 or Higher. From 2008: http://www.defenselink.mil/comptroll...appendix_b.pdf I think the Collector's Club does a way better job about filecards than Hasbro does. Not sure why they decided to make him a Green Beret, but why not. Anyone got the Ranger list for thegame68? Here's all the Rangers and Ranger School Grads I can think of. (I still keep Beachhead with my Rangers mostly.) Claymore Stalker (Seems so SF it's ridiculous) Snake-Eyes (May be SF also) Scarlett Clutch Starduster Alpine Lady-Jaye Crackcase Beachhead Crazy-Legs Sneak-Peek Skydive Dart Rampage Muskrat Sidetrack V2 Roadblock based on the Declassified series Then there are the Guys we just don't know. Repeater - based on his Hat Outback - Based on Quote From the Ranger's Handbook (May be SF though) Grid-Iron (Has to be as a Career Infantry Officer) Pathfinder (come on) Recoil (More than likely) Recondo (At least, but could be SF) Altitude (Again a Career infantryman would most likely attend Ranger School at some point) We could probably make a case for both Double-Blast and Big Brawler as E-8, but that is debatable. Same for all the Paratroopers minus Drop-Zone. |
10-28-2009, 10:24 PM | #9887 |
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Intelligence Interrogators are enlisted. It's not exactly the same thing, but it makes the point that these specialist positions are done by sergeants.
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10-28-2009, 10:30 PM | #9888 |
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when did Beachhead become a Green Beret? it says Ranger on his filecard.
also specifically says Ranger on Stalker's and Sidetrack V2. And even though it doesnt say so on his filecard I consider Repeater a Ranger based on the Ranger Tab on his hat (like Mainframe being a Marine by virtue of his headgear) Yeah, Repeater's Ranger Tab is from the card art, but that's pretty good. His Tab is on the picture on his file card, so that's got to count for something. Mainframe's status as a Marine is certainly on his headgear, but it's also in the file card.
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10-28-2009, 10:36 PM | #9889 |
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He was probably sent by the Joe Team to go get his Long Tab. That's the only way I can figure he was suddenly a Green Beret... but I figure he did it so he could take command of Tiger Force. Now he's qualified like Duke and Flint, so he can take Tiger Force.
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10-28-2009, 10:44 PM | #9890 |
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I don't think Marines have a SWAT negotiator MOS, but I doubt any do. I imagine in the case of your SWAT negotiator Xsoldier he's just one of the more senior men in his unit?
Yeah Oliver it's the Intervention Specialist thing that does it for me. But The HRT training gets done at Quantico too so that explains his Rank better as he would be an officer if he were FBI. Plus there is the fact that it never mentions FBI anywhere on his filecard. Of Course V2 does: YOJOE.COM | Filecard Gallery - Bullhorn (version two) and now he's an 88M so that means Army.
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