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10-15-2009, 11:51 AM | #9511 |
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Awesome concept. I think Hama's take on the putative bad guy ("Chimera") in GI Joe: Origins takes a similar tack, although Chimera does hint that he isn't so much a part of a rogue black bag operation, but he's working in a government capacity that's so many levels above top secret not even Hawk (whose own GI Joe operation is already "above top secret") has any inkling of what he's about.
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10-15-2009, 02:57 PM | #9512 |
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I have some of those vintage joes you want; do you have a city strike snake eyes?
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10-15-2009, 05:35 PM | #9513 |
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Also I'm confused about General Flagg. Isn't the one that appears in the comics and dies around issue 19, I think, the original commanding General (aka Flagg Sr)? Because I've noticed that the comic pack Flagg, which I thought was supposed to be Flagg Sr, is described as the son of Flagg Sr on his file card. In fact, all three versions are James Longstreet Flagg III, the son of the original commander, but I don't ever remember his son appearing in any of the comics or anywhere for that matter. So which Flagg is the Flagg in the early Marvel issues? And if Gen Flagg II or III is the original GI Joe Commander, then where the heck does Gen Colton, the founder, fall into all of this. I thought he was the first commander of GI Joe. Last edited by Tanksmasher; 10-15-2009 at 05:37 PM.. |
10-15-2009, 05:39 PM | #9514 |
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Okay, here's an idea I've been kicking around regarding Cobra's origins and I must admit is heavily influenced by the Chimaera character in the IDW Joe comics.
For those who don't read the comics, Chimaera is a character introduced in the Origins series who may or may not be the future CC and may or may not be a Covert Intel operative who may or may not be working for the US govt. All he claims is that his orders come down from alot higher than a general. Thus; In my joeverse, CC still has the same origin, car salesman, dissillusioned with govt, banks, bureaucracy etc, older brother dies in car crash ..etc. Only, this is all a cover story. He was really a covert operative for the govt (which explains his military and strategic skills). A clandestine arm of the govt looks at the current strategic landscape a few years ago. Realizing that wars will no longer be fought symmetrically as it was in the past due to the rise of terrorism across the globe. Also well aware of clandestine anti govt militias springing up in their own backyard, they come to the conclusion that terrorism will eventually come direct to their door step. The govt institutes Operationraw Venom. A top level NSA operator is tasked with creating a front organization that will literally draw elements that are or have the potential to cause problems in the future. This operator firstly infiltrates and gains control over a local militia group called 'First Strike'. Now with a small cadre of operators he begins 'drawing' all these elements to him; arms dealers, mercenaries, arsonists, outlaw biker gangs (Dreadnoks), anarchists, criminals and insurgents (Baroness and Firefly). At the same time, he makes contacts with terrorist groups and like minded individuals across the globe. The idea is to get all these guys together and take them out all at once. Problem is, the operator who adopts the name Cobra Commander begins to flourish with all this power and influence and decides to go into business for himself, getting his superiors and all those who knew about the op silenced. so Cobra starts as a govt black bag operation that goes wrong. I just haven't worked out how Snake eyes and the Hard Master's death fits into this new idea....yet. |
10-15-2009, 05:55 PM | #9515 |
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Flagg Sr was the original commanding officer. His son never appeared anywhere but in figure form.
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10-15-2009, 05:57 PM | #9516 |
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Also I'm confused about General Flagg. Isn't the one that appears in the comics and dies around issue 19, I think, the original commanding General (aka Flagg Sr)? Because I've noticed that the comic pack Flagg, which I thought was supposed to be Flagg Sr, is described as the son of Flagg Sr on his file card. In fact, all three versions are James Longstreet Flagg III, the son of the original commander, but I don't ever remember his son appearing in any of the comics or anywhere for that matter. So which Flagg is the Flagg in the early Marvel issues?
When Hama first created Flagg for issue #1, he had no idea that Hasbro would later introduce (or re-introduce, depending on your view of the Action Man toyline as it pertains to GI Joe continuity) Joe Colton as the "original GI Joe," so there's really no actual command lineage between the two. It's all pretty arbitrary based on the toy introduction timeline. The way you can rationalize it, though, is that Colton helped found GI Joe in the 1960s as a lieutenant, but command of the unit was actually placed in the hands of a more senior officer (Flagg). |
10-15-2009, 06:12 PM | #9517 |
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Yeah, that's how I was thinking of playing it. Colton helps put together the first team to train but isn't necessarily the commanding officer, at least not initially.
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10-15-2009, 06:15 PM | #9518 |
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I think I mistakenly referred to him as Sr when actually Marvel's General Flagg is really the II or Junior and the two figures of Flagg that were first made represent his son, Flagg III, and the third figure made should have been described as Flagg Jr, the one that appears in the comics, but was an obvious error on the writer's part. Good, now that's all cleared up.
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10-15-2009, 06:19 PM | #9519 |
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One of the side-effects of Hasbro's introduction of Colton as the guy who founded GI Joe in 1962 is that it screwed up Hama's origin for the GI Joe team as a unit created post-Vietnam War and really screws up the overall story timeline.
The existence of a GI Joe team in 1962 opens up a lot of questions. For instance, if the Joe team already existed in some form in the 1960s, where were they prior to 1982 (when Hawk and Stalker started assembling the GI Joe team as we know it)? Did this original GI Joe team deploy in Vietnam? |
10-15-2009, 06:21 PM | #9520 |
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Makes you think that the government shut the program done after or shortly before 'Nam and then reopened it in '82.
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