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10-10-2009, 10:01 PM | #9451 |
I Ride with Claymore!!!
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The Marauders are;
Sgt Slaughter - Sgt Smasher (PT and Personal Combat Instructor) BBQ - Fail Safe (EOD and Hostile Environment trainer) Spirit - Venture (Field Craft, Navigation instructor) Foot Loose - Run Down (Fire and Maneuvers / Jump Instructor) Lowlight - Exit Wound (Weapons and Handling Instructor) Mutt - Hound (SERE specialist) I also have plans for a few Marauders customs Fair Child (SERE specialist / Covert ops/ Acting trainer) Rocky (PT / Combat and Motivational Instructor)
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10-11-2009, 01:12 AM | #9452 |
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Originally Posted by Tanksmasher
Realistically martial artists get their asses handed to them in close quarter fighting--not always, but mostly. Ultimate Fighting has demonstrated this. The guys who usually win are the grapplers with striking abilities
Personally, I think the best base for a contemporary and practical tactical combatives system would be the Malaysian art of silat, the Philippine art of kali/eskrima, and the Israeli art of kapap. With the exception of certain kali/eskrima and pencak silat schools, all three martial arts incorporate the full spectrum of hand-to-hand fighting: striking, grappling, and weapons techniques. All three are also short on "formal" technique but concentrate on developing muscle memory and reacting to real-world encounters (as opposed to countering specific moves that exist within the martial art). Although with the rising popularity of kali/eskrima (thanks to films like the Bourne Identity), there are now a lot of kali/eskrima schools of dubious repute ("McDojos") that focus on flashy techniques of questionable practical hand-to-hand combat value. Their practicality has been borne out in the real world: Kapap formed the basis of Krav Maga (the combatives system used by the Israeli Defense Forces), kali/eskrima is one of the base systems that contributed to the development of the US Army's Modern Army Combatives Program curriculum (the others being Muay Thai, Kodokan judo, and boxing) and is also the base system from which are derived a lot of the control techniques taught in many police academies and police departments in the US and Canada (Bram Frank, former Chief Instructor for Advanced Instructors for the 2002 knife/counter-knife program at the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center -- which trains FBI and CIA agents, among others -- is a recognized kali/eskrima/arnis expert). This practicality is also why you don't see kali/eskrima, pencak silat, or kapap fighters in MMA competitions (and the ones that do claim to have trained in those systems actually use techniques from other systems in sporting competitions). Their focus has always been on limb destruction, the deprivation of the enemy's senses (eye-gouging, temporal and occipital strikes), and lethal strikes to vital areas such as the trachea, all of which are disallowed in just about any sporting competition. Again, the rising popularity of kali/eskrima has resulted in various sayaw (literally "dance," the equivalent of karate's kata) and full-contact "eskrima competitions" (particularly in Europe), but personally, I think the essence of kali/eskrima has to be diluted so much to fit into a sporting context that the result ends up having very little relation to the original combat system. Now, I'm not saying that fighters with kali/eskrima, kapap, and pencak silat training would beat MMA fighters with Jiu-jitsu/jujutsu or Muay Thai training in a sporting scenario. They'd probably get beaten more often than not. But that's because those guys aren't trained to fight in sport situations and the disciplines they study aren't meant for use in sport situations which (rightly so) emphasize non-lethal techniques (or at least techniques that are non-immediate in lethality). It's like comparing, say, a police/tactical pursuit driver to a NASCAR/Formula One driver. The latter will almost always win in a controlled sport setting, but the former would ultimately be the one better equipped to handle pursuits in the real world. Last edited by zuludelta; 10-11-2009 at 01:50 AM.. |
10-11-2009, 01:26 AM | #9453 |
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Thanks Oliver,
I use them as specialized trainers/instructors (see http://www.hisstank.com/forum/g-i-jo...cards-945.html) page 945 or just hit the link It always bothered me that new joes were just thrown together and expected to fight as one smooth unit. My take on the Marauders is that they teach joe recruits all sorts of stuff from fire and movement, navigation, field craft etc. The sort of skills that due to the joes diverse backgrounds, they may or may not already have. Also, the Marauders teach the recruits both green shirts and steel brigade certain inter operational skills (like the difference between the way USAF do things and the USMC do things, little things like that). They also teach them acting / covert ops skills, how to unpick locks, get out of handcuffs, underwater egress escape (when a car is underwater), how to hotwire a car (Clutch and Stalker specialty). The kind of skills they may not have been taught if they weren't special op shooters. I kinda see the joes as the intermediate step between Delta and SAD. They get the same sort of spook training as SAD but are still military. I also think all the support guys would have to be able to hold their own and so get a fair amount of training themselves so they're not liabilities when in the field. Last edited by Tyroc; 10-11-2009 at 01:33 AM.. |
10-11-2009, 01:31 AM | #9454 |
Crimson Guard
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Zulu, I love it when you post. You've always got so much well researched knowledge to pass on and you're a helluva funny guy..McDojos! bwahahahahaa.
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10-11-2009, 02:19 AM | #9455 |
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The Jeet Kune Do McDojos are even worse. Bruce Lee only allowed three people to teach his system: Dan Inosanto, Larry Hartsell (who died in 2007), and Richard Bustillo, and of those three, only Dan Inosanto (who likewise taught Lee kali/eskrima) was recognized by Lee to be his equal and capable of granting JKD instructorship to others. As far as I know, Inosanto has granted a JKD instructorship to only three other people: SEAL Team Two Command Master Chief Frank Cucci (now retired), former shooto light-heavyweight champion Erik Paulson, and California-based martial arts historian and instructor Tim Tackett (who has retired from teaching). Inosanto believes that turning JKD into a martial arts "tradition" would be antithetical to Lee's vision, and instead believes in incorporating JKD's philosophy into various martial arts and self-defense systems he teaches. So anybody who claims to be a certified JKD instructor (or claimed to have studied under one) who isn't Inosanto, Bustillo, Cucci, Paulson, Tackett, or Hartsell's two-year old zombie is a fraud (in the case of the instructor) or an unfortunate victim of fraud (in the case of the student). There is a relatively new school called Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do that has the blessing of Lee's family that promotes what it believes to be Lee's core teachings in a formal and systematized schema, but as I mentioned above, those closest to Lee as a martial artist when he was alive believe doing so defeats the whole purpose of JKD (many of the people who advertise themselves as "certified" JKD instructors are actually JFJKD instructors who don't trace a direct training lineage to Bruce Lee, but are allowed by the Lee family to use the JKD name and symbols). Last edited by zuludelta; 10-11-2009 at 05:11 AM.. Reason: edited for spelling, accuracy, and clarity |
10-11-2009, 05:06 PM | #9456 |
W.O.R.M.S. Commander
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Are you just renaming the Slaughters Marauders guys Tryoc? Since almost all of them have a different version which looks different enough.
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10-11-2009, 11:50 PM | #9457 |
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I've been thinking about G.I. Joe having a air force division and I think it would dependon rather or not they are a top secret group or not. If they're a top secret group I think they would have thier own AF devision. But if they're a publicly know group then I think they would have thier own air support but not a complete AF. I also think they would mostly use A10 Warthogs, Apaches and Cobras(or Dragonflys rather). The only way I see them having a full AF would be if they're top secret so they're not outarmed by Cobra. And also by having thier own AF less people would have to know about thier missions compaired to having to bring pilots into top secret missions when ever they needed them. I also think it would make siince if most of the Joes could pilot the air support aircraft if for no other reason than having the skills for that one time they might need to pilot something if they ever need to. I haven't seen it mentioned but the City Strike Duke mentions him using his martial arts skills to break in to a Cobra base. By the way the figure comes with a sword which I culd have done without. But overall I really like the figure.
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10-12-2009, 02:37 AM | #9458 |
Iron Grenadier
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Zulu are you familiar with Kajukenbo(kajukenpo)? If so what are your thoughts on this style? One of my boss' grew up in the Phillipenes and said he used to study Eskrima, his cousin sent him a beautiful handcrafted Balisong not that long ago.
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10-12-2009, 03:45 AM | #9459 |
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Although, I am contemplating dabbling in the custom field. Most of my customs are LBC's (Lazy B@stard Customs) of simple head swaps. Some come out real nice! Vintage Outback head on a Vintage Tunnel Rat and a Tunnel Rat on a Low Light v2 look kick @ss!. I'd post some pics but all my joes are in storage at the moment :( I'm planning on a Lady Jaye body with a Marauders paint job and call her Fairchild. A USAF SERE specialist. I have a Rambo head from some crappy 1980s figure which I've popped on a Maraudes Footloose body. He looks pretty cool. He's Rocky in my verse. |
10-12-2009, 03:57 AM | #9460 |
Crimson Guard
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I've been thinking about G.I. Joe having a air force division and I think it would dependon rather or not they are a top secret group or not. If they're a top secret group I think they would have thier own AF devision. But if they're a publicly know group then I think they would have thier own air support but not a complete AF. I also think they would mostly use A10 Warthogs, Apaches and Cobras(or Dragonflys rather). The only way I see them having a full AF would be if they're top secret so they're not outarmed by Cobra. And also by having thier own AF less people would have to know about thier missions compaired to having to bring pilots into top secret missions when ever they needed them. I also think it would make siince if most of the Joes could pilot the air support aircraft if for no other reason than having the skills for that one time they might need to pilot something if they ever need to. I haven't seen it mentioned but the City Strike Duke mentions him using his martial arts skills to break in to a Cobra base. By the way the figure comes with a sword which I culd have done without. But overall I really like the figure.
I was actually thinking of this last night (couldn't sleep and planning my joeverse always helps me hit the zzzz's). Decided that the joe air crews would be split into bases around the world. Ace - US (Centcom) Slipstream - Germany (EUCOM) Dogfight - Japan (PACCOM) Maverick - a friendly nation adjacent to Trucial Abysimia (AFRICOM) Flagg - Atlantic Ocean (SOUTHCOM) Haven't figured the helicopter guys yet.. This way the Joe air element can support joe operations anywhere and can be anywhere within 8 hrs or so.. I really want a City Strike Duke..have to wait till they get cheaper on ebay.. |
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