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10-09-2009, 08:24 AM | #9431 |
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This is what was written in the Bullet Points of Issue#9:
Dear Andy, I'm writing about the renaming of the Roadblock character to Heavy Duty. I think this was really dumb especially since most of your readers are probably older fans. Roadblock has been in all the recent toy lines and he was in the new Resolute cartoon, so clearly Hasbro is still using him and the Heavy Duty thing was just a bonehead movie exec. decision. Please don't call Roadblock Heavy Duty anymore. It is very annoying. Thanks, I've been enjoying the comics. Jason Beyerstein RESPONSE: "Jason. Thanks for giving me a chance to talk about this in the book. Bottom line, Heavy Duty is in our book. He looks a lot like this Roadblock of which you speak, but he's not Roadblock. For one thing, Roadblock is a chef. Heavy Duty isn't allowed near the kitchen. He can't get ramen right! Roadblock speaks in rhyme, and Heavy Duty just speaks. At the time that we created the series, Roadblock wqas off the table for various reasons. Should Roadblock come back on the table, we will revisit. Roadblock's appearance in Resolute does not prove that these legat issues are resovled, unfortunately. At the end of the day, I'm like you--an old-school fan who wants his Roadblock back. And I'm working on it..." Sounds like there is hope. I'm still confused with why Roadblock in HD and Breaker have not made it in the main comic series yet. I'm hoping they are waiting for Roadblock to clear itself up, so they can make the name change, and then add him to the Main comic. Well here's to hoping! |
10-09-2009, 07:28 PM | #9432 |
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Sounds like there is hope. I'm still confused with why Roadblock in HD and Breaker have not made it in the main comic series yet.
I'm hoping they are waiting for Roadblock to clear itself up, so they can make the name change, and then add him to the Main comic. Well here's to hoping! |
10-09-2009, 10:31 PM | #9433 |
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The easy solution would be for "Heavy Duty" to just change his code name to "Roadblock" at some point in the future once the trademark issues around the name are cleared up. I don't think they've revealed this Heavy Duty's real name yet, so he could just be Marvin F. Hinton, just using a different code name.
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10-09-2009, 10:53 PM | #9434 |
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Right plus Roadblock in the comics never did any rhyming anyway.
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10-10-2009, 01:22 AM | #9435 |
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It took a while, but thanks to you guys keeping the thread interesting and my complete lack of supervision at work I finally made it through all 944 preceding pages to catch up. First I just wanted to say great thread Troynos and thanks for all the info from you thread vets. Wether it was reading your posts or via pm (thanks Oliver) I've started wrapping my arms around my own 'verse in a realistic way for the first time. I started collecting again with my son and things started getting unwieldly but we've got a direction now, so thanks and congrats on, in my opinion, the most entertaining and useful thread on the site.
I've been waiting to contribute for a long time so I'll try to keep this brief. Speaking of Roadblock and the differences between the comic and the cartoon, I've noticed that in the earlier cartoons Stormshadow's foil is Spirit rather than Snake Eyes. I know the cartoons aren't considered cannon, but I think it's interesting how Spirit is shown as being able to hold his own against Storm Shadow in hand to hand or edged weapons fight. I looked through all of Spirit's file cards and it doesn't mention any martial arts training, but he is a Vietnam Vet and probably is Ranger qualified per Mr. Hamma, so he could have picked up hand to hand combat training there. However, it seems that Storm Shadow would have the advantage, unless Spirit has additional skills over what the Army provided to him. I remember seeing a show on the History channel where they were pitting warriors from different cultures in ficticious battles and some of the Native Americans were pretty adept at close quarters fighting. So is it possible that Spirit could hold his own against Storm Shadow relying on Ranger training and the traditional hand to hand combat skills of his people? Also, maybe his fighting style is different than anything Storm Shadow had encountered before and that is why he is able to take SS when a ninja, fighting with techniques SS is trained to defeat, would be cut in half. Any thoughts? Last edited by thegame68; 10-10-2009 at 01:23 AM.. Reason: spelling |
10-10-2009, 01:43 AM | #9436 |
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I really like how some of you are using the RoC figures with A-Suits as an answer to Cobra's BATs. I thought of something similar when trying to fit in the flamethrowers. I agree that the Joes would not employ flamethrowers against human targets, but depending on how far your willing to stretch reality when it comes to Cobra, I think there are several situations where flamethrowers would be a more useful weapon than a gun or some type of explosive.
1. Per the BAT's file card, they have a tendency to explode. It might be safer in enclosed areas, like an alley or a small room, to melt whatever electronics controls a BAT rather than toss a grenade or a burst of machine gun fire into their midst and risk filling the air with jagged BAT chunks flying in all directions. 2. I haven't seen the movie, but I'd think that the nanomytes would be another threat that would be more effectively nuetralized with flames rather than bullets. 3. Only if you accept Cobra La, read further. The scene in the Mummy when the thousands of scarebs are coming at him, Brenden Fraiser pulls out his pistol and fires into the ground scattering a few, but they keep coming. The joes must have run into a similar situation in the caverns in the Himilayas. In a situation like that, surely a flamethrower is your weapon of choice. More effective than bullets and you don't run the risk of bringing the cavern down on you if you use explosives. |
10-10-2009, 01:53 AM | #9437 |
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I've noticed that in the earlier cartoons Stormshadow's foil is Spirit rather than Snake Eyes. I know the cartoons aren't considered cannon, but I think it's interesting how Spirit is shown as being able to hold his own against Storm Shadow in hand to hand or edged weapons fight.
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10-10-2009, 02:13 AM | #9438 |
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II remember seeing a show on the History channel where they were pitting warriors from different cultures in ficticious battles and some of the Native Americans were pretty adept at close quarters fighting. So is it possible that Spirit could hold his own against Storm Shadow relying on Ranger training and the traditional hand to hand combat skills of his people? Also, maybe his fighting style is different than anything Storm Shadow had encountered before and that is why he is able to take SS when a ninja, fighting with techniques SS is trained to defeat, would be cut in half. Any thoughts?
In the real world, those three conditions almost never apply in an actual fight. In many cases, the unorthrodox and unpredictable flailing of a novice can be just as disruptive to an opponent as the practiced speed and reflexes of a trained martial artist. That being said, formal martial arts training does give a student confidence in his/her physical capabilities, knowledge of practical body mechanics, and an understanding of his/her physical limitations, and to degrees most non-martial artists rarely achieve. Many times, it's the control and calmness in the heat of battle afforded by that confidence, knowledge, and understanding that provides the actual edge in a real-world fight, and not so much formal technique. Last edited by zuludelta; 10-10-2009 at 02:18 AM.. Reason: edited for spelling |
10-10-2009, 02:25 AM | #9439 |
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Welcome aboard thegame68. As a relative newbie to this thread (and the tank) myself, happy to hear you share your thoughts
1) Spirit - He's always been one of my favourites, I always liked the way he could hold his own (at least for awhile) against SS. Unlike Quick Kick who got his ass kicked but good. I like to think his indigenous background helped his CQB skills moreso than his Army skills which would have been cancelled out by the relative same official training that SS would have had. 2) Flamethrower operators aren't really cut out for some of the recon/infiltration missions the joes are usually tasked with. They're equipment would be bulky, clunky and a reckless tracer round would probably ignite their tanks. It'd be more of a liability in the field, so that's why I use them predominantly as armorers and engineers. I do have a few (Charbroil and Blowtorch) in the Heavy Weapons Troop along with guys like Salvo, Backblast, Fast Draw. They're basically called in when what's required is pure assymetrical, distance warfare. Like when dealing with BATS, Bio Vipers, Lunartix DNAliens etc. (In my verse, Lunartix aliens are failed Mindbender clone experiments, as are Cobra LA. Cobra LA only think their civilization is older because well he's a Mindbender) |
10-10-2009, 10:03 AM | #9440 |
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Welcome thegame68! Can't believe you read every page! That was an awfully nice gesture. Anyway, I think Storm Shadow's abilities as a ninja have been over-estimated and overplayed throughout the comics and cartoons. The ninjas in GI Joe virtually have super powers: they climb sheer walls, dodge bullets, rise from the dead, run at lightening speed. Just look at the issues with the Soft Master. His abilities make SS look like the Karate Kid.
Realistically martial artists get their asses handed to them in close quarter fighting--not always, but mostly. Ultimate Fighting has demonstrated this. The guys who usually win are the grapplers with striking abilities. Nothing fancy, just pin a guy, break his arm, make him submit, or pummel his face while you straddle him. Like zulu said, most martial arts are arts and not necessarily the best form of hand-to-hand combat. Brazilian Jujitsu and Muay Thai kickboxing seem to make up the dominant fighting styles because of their emphasis on practical skills and real-life fighting. Since Native American warriors were adept at wrestling, Spirit would have an edge over SS. Ninjas were primarily assassins who maintained the illusion and myth pertaining to their supernatural abilities and powers. Last edited by Tanksmasher; 10-10-2009 at 10:46 AM.. |
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