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08-17-2009, 11:20 PM | #8321 |
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As far as Oliver's question about renaming ROC figures I do the same.
RA Scarlet = Mayday Covergirl = Vorona (Diana) RA Heavy Duty = Hardball I think I will use either the Desert or the Jungle RIpcord as = Rampage HAWK I'm still undecided? I might call him Flagg. What about Flash? I like my 25th Flash so should I army build or make him Sci-Fi? I was thinkng about making Breaker=Slipstream as a Air Liason Officer? don't know. Duke from the Cobra 5 pack will make a great SAS looking guy, like Eagle from Action Force. Duke in Desert gear = Rapid Fire |
08-17-2009, 11:26 PM | #8322 |
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Code Name: File Name: PMS: SMS: BIRTHPLACE (What happen Hasbro? One of the main ways fans identify with characters) Rank then a little military background like unit they came from, and training they received, also weapon proficency could be here. Finally what ever fluff they want to add. They seem to like to state weapon of choice which seems pretty unimportant to me. |
08-17-2009, 11:37 PM | #8323 |
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In reference to renaming ROC figures, I've only done a few so far.
I like to keep in spirit of the character/toy while changing the function so; Cover Girl = Pitt PA Specialist "Catwalk" Deep Six = Arctic Seal "Drysuit" CC = CC My take is that CC is the former Fred who's now horribly disfigured and has gone about creating or rather recreating Cobra. He's taken Chameleon and made her his Baroness (using the nano mites) and Alexander is his Destro. His Neo-Vipers are captured Civilians / Military personnel / "real Cobra" His Zartan is the original Aussie biker gang Zartan that "Amaury Sanderson" replaced in the DDP comic. Rip Cord = Crop Duster (in ref to his line in the movie) Duke = Step Up...hahaha just joking Haven't got around to renaming everyone yet. Alot of the ROC figs will be filling holes in my roster especially Marines / Air Force / Navy Personnel. |
08-17-2009, 11:38 PM | #8324 |
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What type of military equivalent would you say the new Elite viper is? I'm loving these guys but I just don't know where they fall in? I have the same sort or problem with the Para-Vipers. For instance: Alley-Viper=SWAT but more SAS/Delta CQCB to me Range-Viper=(I say Green Berets) Jungle Vipers=? Para-Vipers=(Okay way better than an EEL which is a SEAL equivalent) Maybe DEVGRU? Elite-Viper=?(The new CGs?) Most other units I can sort through, but these seem like the cream of the crop minus Snow Serpents and Ice Vipers(Who may be the baddest of the bunch) Also how do you guys figure Crimson Guardsmen stack up military wise and within Cobra itself? |
08-17-2009, 11:39 PM | #8325 |
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08-17-2009, 11:52 PM | #8326 |
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Military Police Advanced Individual Training (AIT) is about 8 weeks Airborne is 3 weeks so 20 weeks... about 5 months. That would be the minimum training requirements to get Shockwave ready for Selection & Training. Once a Joe, he could be sent back for any type of special ops training: Ranger School, HALO, Scuba, etc. But prior to Selection, what I mentioned above would be the prerequisite training. He would probably do all his Basic and AIT at Ft. Leonard Wood. Airborne is only available at Ft. Benning. I figure the Joes found Shockwave. Maybe the heard/read about some of his work with Detroit SWAT, and went to visit him, or they asked him to come and teach a course. Either way, they liked him and he was interested. He might have asked what it would take to be a Joe, and they would have outlined this plan for him, with the understanding that if he would be willing to go through the 5 months of requisite training, they would guarantee him a slot in Selection & Training. The most they would do would be to give him a chance in selection, but passing into training would be up to Shockwave... they don't give Joe membership away. The reason I prefer to look at it this way, other than the reality technical aspects, is that it means that Shockwave is just as much of a Joe as everyone else. He went through the requisite military training as every other Joe. Obviously he may not have initially been as highly trained as someone like Flint, but it isn't as if he was just handed a Joe uniform and told, "Welcome to the Team." Reading Eric Haney's book "Inside Delta Force" gave me a new appreciation for Selection & Training (especially the Selection phase) of Delta and SAS training. After reading that, unit cohesion is produced by the fact that they all prove themselves through the same crazy selection process. They prove themselves as individuals who will not quit in that selection process, so even the new guys - when they finally are allowed to join the Unit - are accepted as being competent and tough. They earned and proved it. If Shockwave was just "allowed" to join because he was a SWAT guy, why would the other Joes accept him. I mean, if they are kicking in doors for urban warfare they might say, "Yeah, he's OK." But if that was it, why would they trust his abilities. Rather, if he's gone through all the requisite training, and passes selection, they know he's proven himself as an excellent soldier. Because the Joes might have to hike 30 miles on foot through the jungle, then raid a warehouse in a jungle village, and hike 40 miles out through the mountains... if all Shockwave can do is be a great Detroit SWAT guy, that doesn't really help the Joes in that situation - he would be dead weight. Shockwave may have been recruited because of a specialty, but he had to be trained as a soldier, and prove himself as a soldier and an operator in order to use that specialty. Just my opinion.
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08-17-2009, 11:54 PM | #8327 |
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My shifted my EEL over to being a straight Combat Diver and the Para-Vipers become SEaL equivalent.
The Elite-Vipers end up being Delta Force equivalents for me. Breaker became Modem and is a communications guy. Hawk is my Colton (for now) but as soon as I get the AT stuff from the Club Store, Hawk will become someone else. Heavy Duty is now called Gatling. City Strike Duke will be Alley Way Desert Ambush Duke is now named Dune. I think there's enough variation in the Duke head sculpt that I feel "safe" getting away with multiple characters. RoC Scarlett is Mayday I have a list in my Joe organizational chart, I'll have to dig it out. RoC Flash became part of the hazmat unit and is called Filter.
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08-18-2009, 12:00 AM | #8328 |
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Army Basic is about 9 weeks
Military Police Advanced Individual Training (AIT) is about 8 weeks Airborne is 3 weeks so 20 weeks... about 5 months. That would be the minimum training requirements to get Shockwave ready for Selection & Training. Once a Joe, he could be sent back for any type of special ops training: Ranger School, HALO, Scuba, etc. But prior to Selection, what I mentioned above would be the prerequisite training. He would probably do all his Basic and AIT at Ft. Leonard Wood. Airborne is only available at Ft. Benning. I figure the Joes found Shockwave. Maybe the heard/read about some of his work with Detroit SWAT, and went to visit him, or they asked him to come and teach a course. Either way, they liked him and he was interested. He might have asked what it would take to be a Joe, and they would have outlined this plan for him, with the understanding that if he would be willing to go through the 5 months of requisite training, they would guarantee him a slot in Selection & Training. The most they would do would be to give him a chance in selection, but passing into training would be up to Shockwave... they don't give Joe membership away. The reason I prefer to look at it this way, other than the reality technical aspects, is that it means that Shockwave is just as much of a Joe as everyone else. He went through the requisite military training as every other Joe. Obviously he may not have initially been as highly trained as someone like Flint, but it isn't as if he was just handed a Joe uniform and told, "Welcome to the Team." Reading Eric Haney's book "Inside Delta Force" gave me a new appreciation for Selection & Training (especially the Selection phase) of Delta and SAS training. After reading that, unit cohesion is produced by the fact that they all prove themselves through the same crazy selection process. They prove themselves as individuals who will not quit in that selection process, so even the new guys - when they finally are allowed to join the Unit - are accepted as being competent and tough. They earned and proved it. If Shockwave was just "allowed" to join because he was a SWAT guy, why would the other Joes accept him. I mean, if they are kicking in doors for urban warfare they might say, "Yeah, he's OK." But if that was it, why would they trust his abilities. Rather, if he's gone through all the requisite training, and passes selection, they know he's proven himself as an excellent soldier. Because the Joes might have to hike 30 miles on foot through the jungle, then raid a warehouse in a jungle village, and hike 40 miles out through the mountains... if all Shockwave can do is be a great Detroit SWAT guy, that doesn't really help the Joes in that situation - he would be dead weight. Shockwave may have been recruited because of a specialty, but he had to be trained as a soldier, and prove himself as a soldier and an operator in order to use that specialty. Just my opinion. Love it Oliver. It makes ALOT of sense to do it that way. There's something about these people that caught the attention of the Joe recruiter and they're asked for an "interview" (teaching a class or lecture, demonstration, something) and the Recruiter goes "we'd like you on this unit, you'll get to do more for your country then you ever have before but first you have to go thru 5 months of rigorous training and then try out for the unit". That's a weeding out process in and of itself. Only the most dedicated would say "sure, sign me up" and leave everything they know for 5 hard months and all that for just a shot at getting into the unit, no gurantee.
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08-18-2009, 12:00 AM | #8329 |
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I am very excited about the new Collector's Club Colton figures. Awesome!
I think I'm going to use ROC Hawk as Trent - the Commander of Action Force. G.I. Joe in ROC is an International force, so I find it fitting to use that version of Hawk as the international commander, so to speak.
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08-18-2009, 12:02 AM | #8330 |
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I am very excited about the new Collector's Club Colton figures. Awesome!
I think I'm going to use ROC Hawk as Trent - the Commander of Action Force. G.I. Joe in ROC is an International force, so I find it fitting to use that version of Hawk as the international commander, so to speak. |
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