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11-22-2008, 02:20 AM | #801 |
PhilDPino
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11-22-2008, 02:43 AM | #802 |
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So, I liked the idea of using Recondo as sort of a "make shift" sniper.
I once read a web page where the author was a huge Beach-Head fan. So in his Joeverse, Beach-Head was a sniper and a hand-to-hand specialist. Beach-Head could do it all in this guy's Joeverse. So, here's my question/discussion topic: In your Joeverse, have you ever given a character an ability or a skill that there was no real justification for, just because it was cool? Or, have you given them an unjustified qualification that you think can be reasonably extrapolated? For example, Flint's 8" figure file card has him listed as a Martial Artist on par with Snake-Eyes. It goes on to say that Flint and Snake-Eyes work as partners with the same level of expertise and that they're a complimentary team. This was new information for me, but it gave me an idea... In my Joeverse, Flint is a serious hand-to-hand combatant. He's right up there (almost) with Snake-Eyes and Storm Shadow (who are both toned WAY down from the later Marvel Comics). Flint's skills are on par with nearly anyone in the Joeverse. Another case in point: The U.S. Army Rangers have opened a center for Hand-to-hand combat skills. It's serious stuff. So, all my serious Rangers... Beach-Head, Repeater, Recoil, Roadblock, Stalker, Side Track v2, Skydive, Duke, etc. who don't already have hand-to-hand expertise (like Claymore) are also considered to have some expertise in hand-to-hand combat. Do you guys have any body that you've designated with additional expertise?
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11-22-2008, 02:44 AM | #803 |
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Rodger That! Drive On with your Hard On! Hooah!
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11-22-2008, 04:30 AM | #804 |
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Hey all,
Sorry I haven't been around. Been busy. Here is a partial list of my Joeverse command structure (ps. alot on my list still only on paper but I created this list as a checklist to aid my purchasing priorities and to build the entire team section at a time): Colton - Pentagon/White House liason General Staff/Overall command Hawk: O-10 - Commanding General Duke: E-9 - Cmd SMaj Flagg - O-7 - General Staff: Strategic Commander Courage: O-6 General Staff: Administrative Strategist Flint: CW-5 - General Staff: Operations Beachhead: E-7 - training NCO G.I.Joe is then broken down into 2 Brigades Combat Arms Hawk: O-10 - Commanding General Flint: CW-5 - XO Duke: E-9: Command SMaj Further broken downed into: Artillery Battery Major Barrage: O-4 - Battery CO Long Range (Fritz): E-7 - First Sgt Grandslam: E-5 Thunder: E-5 Bombstrike: E-4 Backblast: E-5 Fast Draw: E-4 Bunch of Greenshirts Armored Detachment (Sometime supplimented by other Army Armor Units or Greenshirts as needed): Major Storm: O-4 - Company CO Cross Country: E-4 - Driver Steeler: O-2 – XO/1st Platoon CO Switch Gears: E-5 Hot Seat: E-7 – 1st Platoon Sgt Back-Stop: E-4 - Driver Thunderwing: O-1 – 2nd Platoon CO Heavy Metal: E-5 - Driver Armadillo: E-7 – 2nd Platoon Sgt Wild Card: E-4 - Driver Air Cavalry Detachment (supported/supplimented by greenshirt ground crews and pilots): Assault Helicopters: Major Altitude: O-4 – Detachment CO Wild Bill: CW-4 Updraft: O-3 Windmill: O-3 Tomahawk squadron (on paper led by Lift Ticket and/or Wild Bill, followed by other tomahawks/black hawks crewed by greenshirts): Lift-Ticket: - CW-2 Pilot Airborne (Talltree): E-5 – Gunner/Flight Chief Starduster: E-5 – Gunner/flight Chief Air Force Squadron (on paper these are the commanders of each flights and like the Air Cavs are supported/supplimented by greenshirt pilots and ground crew except when indicated otherwise by mission): Skystriker: O-5 – Squadron Leader Ace: O-3 – XO/1st Flight Captain Slipstream: O-2 – 2nd Flight Lieutenant Dogfight: O-2 – Bomber Flight Lieutenant/Bomber Ghostrider: O-4 – Stealth Operations Reserve Pilots: Payload: O-6 Maverick: O-3 Countdown: O-3 Space Shot: O-1* Sci-Fi: O-1* *Promoted in my Joeverse Infantry Detachment: To Be continued……bed time Last edited by PhilDpino; 11-22-2008 at 04:34 AM.. |
11-22-2008, 09:27 AM | #805 |
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So, I liked the idea of using Recondo as sort of a "make shift" sniper.
I once read a web page where the author was a huge Beach-Head fan. So in his Joeverse, Beach-Head was a sniper and a hand-to-hand specialist. Beach-Head could do it all in this guy's Joeverse. So, here's my question/discussion topic: In your Joeverse, have you ever given a character an ability or a skill that there was no real justification for, just because it was cool? Or, have you given them an unjustified qualification that you think can be reasonably extrapolated? For example, Flint's 8" figure file card has him listed as a Martial Artist on par with Snake-Eyes. It goes on to say that Flint and Snake-Eyes work as partners with the same level of expertise and that they're a complimentary team. This was new information for me, but it gave me an idea... In my Joeverse, Flint is a serious hand-to-hand combatant. He's right up there (almost) with Snake-Eyes and Storm Shadow (who are both toned WAY down from the later Marvel Comics). Flint's skills are on par with nearly anyone in the Joeverse. Another case in point: The U.S. Army Rangers have opened a center for Hand-to-hand combat skills. It's serious stuff. So, all my serious Rangers... Beach-Head, Repeater, Recoil, Roadblock, Stalker, Side Track v2, Skydive, Duke, etc. who don't already have hand-to-hand expertise (like Claymore) are also considered to have some expertise in hand-to-hand combat. Do you guys have any body that you've designated with additional expertise? What doesn't everybodies Shipwreck/Lady Jaye/Flint fly Skystikers? I stick to file cards I guess. Some guys have different unit affiliations and ranks. Which reminds me, Is Barrel Roll Air force? In the comics he's referred to as Lt. not a Corporal like the filecard. |
11-22-2008, 09:58 AM | #806 |
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"proper way to pronounce is wont like wonton soup. It's a very properenglish word that is rarely used except in written form. So one will probably hear it often. Most people especially high school students these days wouldn't know how to use it properly. I even have a hard time know when it is proper at times and tend to use it in writing." --PhilDpino
Okay, I taught college English for 3 1/2 years, so let me put this to rest. Its usage here means "accustomed to." In other words, "even they are [accustomed] to forget that..." The phrase "wont to forget" is uncommon but not rare. I'm uncertain from the context of the sentence what meaning Hama intended. But if the contraction "won't" was the intended word and the apostrophe was inadvertently omitted, then the sentence should have read "even they won't forget that..." but that changes the meaning completely. It would mean that although Snakey has been "sheathed" or tamed in a sense, the Joes won't forget how dangerous he is. However, using "wont," meaning "even they are [accustomed] to forget that," then Hama is saying that even the Joes might be foolish enough to forget how wildly dangerous he is even in the constraints of military life.
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11-22-2008, 11:29 AM | #807 |
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So, I liked the idea of using Recondo as sort of a "make shift" sniper.
I once read a web page where the author was a huge Beach-Head fan. So in his Joeverse, Beach-Head was a sniper and a hand-to-hand specialist. Beach-Head could do it all in this guy's Joeverse. So, here's my question/discussion topic: In your Joeverse, have you ever given a character an ability or a skill that there was no real justification for, just because it was cool? Or, have you given them an unjustified qualification that you think can be reasonably extrapolated? For example, Flint's 8" figure file card has him listed as a Martial Artist on par with Snake-Eyes. It goes on to say that Flint and Snake-Eyes work as partners with the same level of expertise and that they're a complimentary team. This was new information for me, but it gave me an idea... In my Joeverse, Flint is a serious hand-to-hand combatant. He's right up there (almost) with Snake-Eyes and Storm Shadow (who are both toned WAY down from the later Marvel Comics). Flint's skills are on par with nearly anyone in the Joeverse. Another case in point: The U.S. Army Rangers have opened a center for Hand-to-hand combat skills. It's serious stuff. So, all my serious Rangers... Beach-Head, Repeater, Recoil, Roadblock, Stalker, Side Track v2, Skydive, Duke, etc. who don't already have hand-to-hand expertise (like Claymore) are also considered to have some expertise in hand-to-hand combat. Do you guys have any body that you've designated with additional expertise? But Flint will never be on par with my Snake Eyes or Storm Shadow in the martial arts not even close. There are somethings I will do and then others that cross the line for me. That saying Flint always had his important statis in my command and led most of the teams for me in the field |
11-22-2008, 03:03 PM | #808 |
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What doesn't everybodies Shipwreck/Lady Jaye/Flint fly Skystikers? I stick to file cards I guess. Some guys have different unit affiliations and ranks. Which reminds me,
Is Barrel Roll Air force? In the comics he's referred to as Lt. not a Corporal like the filecard. "Barrel Roll" is unique case. Normally, it takes at least a Warrant Officer to fly anything in the army, and the Air Force doesn't even have Warrant Officers anymore - only Officers fly in the Air Force. Barrel Roll's two other siblings seem to be Army. That's certainly not conclusive because a lot of siblings join different branches of the military. For example, my brother flew for the Air Force. I think Tall Creeper's dad and uncle were in different service branches as well. He's also unique because of what he flies: it's a piece of complete fiction. Don't get me wrong, I think it's a great little powered glider, but it's a little closer to Star Wars than reality - but it's perfect for the Joes. The problem presented by his aircraft is that there is no clear guidelines for who flies such an aircraft. Could an enlisted man fly that thing? Would an Officer be sent out on solo sniper missions? Does the USAF even have good snipers? He's a bit of a mystery, but as I've read all his file cards it seems that his glider is deployed out of the back of an airplane, sort of like a HALO jumper. His main specialty is as a sniper. The glider seems to simply be a fancy way of deploying 'Barrel Roll' into a position behind enemy lines. In fact, v3 'Barrel Roll' did not come with a glider; he was only a marksman. My best guess is that 'Barrel Roll' is an Army sniper. He operates solo, like Low-light, and no officer would do that kind of work. His glider isn't some high-altitude fighter jet; it's a supped up hang glider for behind the lines insertions into geographically difficult/remote areas. I would list him as his file card does: E-4
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11-22-2008, 03:16 PM | #809 |
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But Flint will never be on par with my Snake Eyes or Storm Shadow in the martial arts not even close. There are somethings I will do and then others that cross the line for me. That being said, Flint always had his important place in my command and led most of the teams for me in the field
On thing to note: at that time in the 8" production, the figures/line of toys were no longer being called "Sigma Six". They were being called "A Real American Hero". I understand that the 8" line is not authoritative for the 3.75" figures, but I think it can been seen as informative. It's a Hasbro produced version of Flint. In the 8" line he's the top Intelligence/espionage operative in G.I. Joe, and he's a lot closer to Snake-Eyes personally and in operational abilities.
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11-22-2008, 03:37 PM | #810 |
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I think many of us have a tendency to select Low-Light because he was the first Joe (yes, I know Scarlett was a qualified sniper (allegedly - the USMC does NOT train women to be snipers), but it wasn't her specialty). Anyway, one point in the file cards that has been brought out to demonstrate Low-Light's prowess as a sharpshooter is the fact that he doesn't need a spotter. He can do it alone, all by himself. Which is evidently pretty rare for snipers. Now, Cross Hair is the official Sniper for Tiger Force and Night Force. That speaks pretty well for him, but I would assume that he needs a spotter because the file cards don't say otherwise. Hollow Point was an instructor at Quantico, but the Marine Corps train their Scout/Snipers to work in pairs. Therefore, Hollow Point would use a spotter. Barrel Roll, however, gets sent behind the lines by himself. He would not have anyone with him; he doesn't use/need a spotter. If we can take the lack of the need of a spotter as some indication of a higher skill level among snipers, it would appear to me that Low-Light and Barrel Roll may be the best sharpshooters on the Joe Team. What do you guys think?
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