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08-04-2009, 12:38 AM | #7971 |
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It has been a while, and it is good to see you as well. Your right with his name sake but it is better then ice cream soldier. He shouldn't be in the water now that you mention him being in the Army.
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08-04-2009, 09:50 AM | #7972 |
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So Steel Brigade are Urban Combat Units.
I like the idea of the Super Troopers being the "clean-up" guys. Mission has gone all to hell, drop in the Super Troopers and they take care of it. Also the guys that are dropped in with no intel and left on their own to accomplish the mission. I know they're officers, but I don't really see them leading a unit. Seems a waste of the extra training they received to be able to function on their own. I can see them coming in and taking over command, but I don't see them as unit leaders.
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08-04-2009, 11:43 AM | #7973 |
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So Steel Brigade are Urban Combat Units.
I like the idea of the Super Troopers being the "clean-up" guys. Mission has gone all to hell, drop in the Super Troopers and they take care of it. Also the guys that are dropped in with no intel and left on their own to accomplish the mission. I know they're officers, but I don't really see them leading a unit. Seems a waste of the extra training they received to be able to function on their own. I can see them coming in and taking over command, but I don't see them as unit leaders. |
08-04-2009, 11:48 AM | #7974 |
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Slaughter in the cartoon was just too much. SE in the comics is just too much.
I don't think they're "super" so much as trained to be "quick-thinkers" and "adaptable", as well as to function more solo then other soldiers usually are.
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08-04-2009, 12:09 PM | #7975 |
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I'm interested to know why you thought the Steel Brigade Commander would have the same training? You may know something I don't. I wouldn't have thought of that, but I'm going to check into it.
My Steel Brigade is an Urban Assault Unit. They are my Special Operations Unit for City Warfare, just like Tiger Force is for the Jungle - but not quite at the same level as the "Named" Joes. I see Steel Brigade this way: If regular Green Shirts are like the Joe Team's plain Infantry, Steel Brigade is roughly like the Airborne Rangers of the Green Shirts. That's just my opinion based on the Convention File cards. Regular Steel Brigade would be about as tough as Marines - still a little tougher than plain Green Shirts. As far as Lt. Stone and Action Man, I treat them as Intelligence Operatives with a very different mission than the Super Troopers. I hadn't thought of that comparison. Do you see them as similar? About Shockwave, I don't think the Convention SWAT unit should be automatically linked to Steel Brigade. I think the mission of the two units is obviously related and oriented towards urban combat, but I see them as very different. I see that Steel Brigade is responsible for operating in an entire city. I see the SWAT team as conducting specific operations and hitting specific targets within that city while Steel Brigade is doing their thing. Shockwave, himself, should not be overlooked, in my opinion. First, he was always one of the coolest figures Hasbro ever came out with - he was certainly the first Joe with a real CQB type of uniform who was a specialist in CQB operations. Second, Shockwave has been in Night Force and the DEF - and that says he's got a lot of Special Ops/Police experience - He's also an E-7, which is pretty important position of leadership as an NCO (Platoon Sgt.) I don't know if he should have been the commander of the SWAT Team, but I don't think he's a slouch either. I mean, if I were creating a Joe SWAT Team, I would put Shockwave on it. Wouldn't you? I only thought of including him since he is the leader. My suggestion of using the Super troopers as Steel Brigade Officers, led me to include SB Commander as maybe having gone through the same training. There is really nothing on his file card which lends credence to that. We don't even know what rank he is. Colonel may be too high, but maybe a Lt. Colonel? or Commander from the Navy but where would he get the Helicopter training? I agree while looking through the Various Steel Brigade Filecards, they are separate from SWAT guys. ( I just tend to put them together in the Urban team) Steel Brigade is more of a Security Force. Less Direct Action and more Asset protection and say more staging area/preliminary Base Preparations. But there would most likely be different teams for differnent environments. And yes Shockwave is a E-7 and should be the team Leader of SWAT ops. You ever notice how they like to make all those guys the door kicker? Who goes in first and who makes up the SWAT Team? |
08-04-2009, 12:15 PM | #7976 |
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However, now that there are two characters known as "Super Trooper" I think there is a reasonable justification to rename these characters as individuals. Now certainly everyone of us has the "right" to rename them as we see fit, but it might be cool if, as a group, the fans of this thread could agree on what their names should be... this thread has certainly influenced my Joeverse in a number of ways, and if the fans I respect most can agree on the names, I feel like it carries more weight... if that makes sense. So the only named Super Trooper is "Rapid FIre" That Leaves Lattimer and De Niro... any suggestions? Should the names be similar to "Rapid Fire"? "Bulls Eye" or "Quick Strike" or "Razor Blade" something like that... Or a bird of prey (or bird related) like "Condor" or "Eagle" or "Talon" What do y'all think?
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08-04-2009, 12:20 PM | #7977 |
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YOJOE.COM | Super Trooper insert Plus is one guy worth the Gas for the Chopper? I would at least drop a 4-6 man team, but if you're trying to bail out a six man team already might drop in a bigger team. |
08-04-2009, 12:25 PM | #7978 |
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Troynos, I completely agree with you... and I think that the fact that there are two characters who are "Super Troopers" makes new code names a necessity. I completely agree that "Super Trooper" is a terrible and ridiculous name. I had even thought about giving Lattimer a different name, but that seemed weird to me - what justification do I have to just start renaming characters?
However, now that there are two characters known as "Super Trooper" I think there is a reasonable justification to rename these characters as individuals. Now certainly everyone of us has the "right" to rename them as we see fit, but it might be cool if, as a group, the fans of this thread could agree on what their names should be... this thread has certainly influenced my Joeverse in a number of ways, and if the fans I respect most can agree on the names, I feel like it carries more weight... if that makes sense. So the only named Super Trooper is "Rapid FIre" That Leaves Lattimer and De Niro... any suggestions? Should the names be similar to "Rapid Fire"? "Bulls Eye" or "Quick Strike" or "Razor Blade" something like that... Or a bird of prey (or bird related) like "Condor" or "Eagle" or "Talon" What do y'all think? |
08-04-2009, 12:40 PM | #7979 |
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YOJOE.COM | Filecard Gallery - Steel Brigade Commander
I only thought of including him since he is the leader. My suggestion of using the Super troopers as Steel Brigade Officers, led me to include SB Commander as maybe having gone through the same training. There is really nothing on his file card which lends credence to that. We don't even know what rank he is. Colonel may be too high, but maybe a Lt. Colonel? or Commander from the Navy but where would he get the Helicopter training? I agree while looking through the Various Steel Brigade Filecards, they are separate from SWAT guys. ( I just tend to put them together in the Urban team) Steel Brigade is more of a Security Force. Less Direct Action and more Asset protection and say more staging area/preliminary Base Preparations. But there would most likely be different teams for differnent environments. And yes Shockwave is a E-7 and should be the team Leader of SWAT ops. You ever notice how they like to make all those guys the door kicker? Who goes in first and who makes up the SWAT Team? The SWAT team would then conduct operations against specific targets withing Steel Brigade's area of operation - SB sets up it's area of operation within a city, and then the SWAT Team can conduct operations within that city, but not under the command of SB - Delta doesn't take orders from the Rangers. Gung-Ho is the leader of Steel Brigade, and since he's been listed as a E-9 (at least I'm pretty sure he was listed as a SGM at some point), I'm willing to go along with that... as a field commander or NCOIC. I still think there should be an officer in Charge. Rapid Fire is the "Super Trooper" who seems to be most oriented towards Urban Warfare (at least his 12" figure/file card). However, I don't see any of the Super Troopers as holding a permanent Command position. One guy I've thought of us Bullet Proof... He's obviously not a member of Steel Brigade, but his Marshall background leads me to think he would be an expert in Urban Warfare. I sort of hypothesize that Bullet Proof could oversee all Urban Operations - and Steel Brigade is the major component of that, so if falls under his jurisdiction. Just an idea. What do you think? Do they need a Commanding Officer? Who would you choose? I don't think of the Steel Brigade Commander as being higher than a Captain or Major - maybe even a Senior NCO... I don't see him as higher than Gung-Ho. But maybe I'm misreading the file cards.
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08-04-2009, 12:43 PM | #7980 |
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I like that idea Loose Cannon, Quick-Strike does have a good sound to it. Of course I always liked Sure Shot as well!
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