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07-27-2009, 03:40 PM | #7761 |
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The Vipers are legit Cobra soldiers. They receive full military training and good equipment. They are sent out in small groups to act as basic "advisors" to the Trooper Cells. The specialized Vipers are just that, and most of them would have been started by people joining Cobra with pre-existing skills. ie. The Alley Vipers were started by a small group of corrupt former SWAT trained police officers who were broken out of jail (or found not guilty thanks to a seigie lawyer) by Cobra. They then trained the Vipers who would become known as Alley Vipers. Eels were started by disgraced SEALs, RangeVipers were Rangers... etc. There are anywhere between 5 and 50+ of each type of specialized vipers active at any one time, depending on how useful they are and of course casualties. Cobra Officers fulfill a less direct combat role, instead acting as the Officer rank command structure (big leap of imagination with that one... :p) They oversee Cobra Cells, do the generally boring beurocratic stuff, and backstab eachother hoping to be elevated to Crimson Guards. They generally act as "junior" CGs, getting involed in the local political and business scene, helping to fund the local Cobra Cells. These "civvie" officers are usually commanded by a Crimson Guardsman. |
07-27-2009, 03:48 PM | #7762 |
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I had a solution to that. The Cobra troopers were more alng the lines of local militias. Cell organization, locally organized from gangs, militia-men, student anarchists, etc. Their level of training varied widely depending on how important they were seen and what they had access to. I figure Cobra is VERY active in the inner city, and certainly would target impressionable youths. they also tailor their message to the audience, so it wouldn't be odd to see a Cobra gathering where white supremesists and Greenpeace extremists are rubbing shoulders. (Morale is generally low at this level) Troopers who show promise are usually sent to become Vipers.
The Vipers are legit Cobra soldiers. They receive full military training and good equipment. They are sent out in small groups to act as basic "advisors" to the Trooper Cells. The specialized Vipers are just that, and most of them would have been started by people joining Cobra with pre-existing skills. ie. The Alley Vipers were started by a small group of corrupt former SWAT trained police officers who were broken out of jail (or found not guilty thanks to a seigie lawyer) by Cobra. They then trained the Vipers who would become known as Alley Vipers. Eels were started by disgraced SEALs, RangeVipers were Rangers... etc. There are anywhere between 5 and 50+ of each type of specialized vipers active at any one time, depending on how useful they are and of course casualties. Cobra Officers fulfill a less direct combat role, instead acting as the Officer rank command structure (big leap of imagination with that one... :p) They oversee Cobra Cells, do the generally boring beurocratic stuff, and backstab eachother hoping to be elevated to Crimson Guards. They generally act as "junior" CGs, getting involed in the local political and business scene, helping to fund the local Cobra Cells. These "civvie" officers are usually commanded by a Crimson Guardsman.
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07-27-2009, 03:48 PM | #7763 |
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I've seen the name Mariner (file name: David Adcox; specialty: Nautical Ops) listed as one of the Joes in GI Joe vs.Cobra: The Essential Guide but I don't think I've ever seen him in the comics, cartoons, or in toy form. Where did he appear?
Other Joes listed in the book I've never heard of or seen in any toy or media format: - Chameleon (file name: Classified; specialty: Infiltration/Intelligence) - D-Day (file name: David Brewl; specialty: Artillery) - Grill (file name: Darren Filbert; specialty: Infantry) - Mariner (file name: David Adcox; specialty: Nautical Ops) - Mouse (file name: Morris Anderson; specialty: Infantry) - Super Trooper (file name: Joe DeNiro; specialty: Infantry/Covert Operations)... this guy is different from the Super trooper we're all familiar with (also listed in the book), whose file name is Paul Lattimer and whose specialties are infantry & public affairs - Tank (file name: Dwight Prudence; specialty: Infantry) I'm assuming that D-Day, Mouse, Grill & Tank are part of the Sgt. Savage line, since they've got that WWII ring to them (although looking up the Sgt. Savage toys on YoJoe.com, I can only find entries for Sgt. Savage and Dynamite -- both of whom are listed in the book). But where did Chameleon (I know there was a 2000 Baroness repaint called Chameleon, but this character is listed as a Joe), Mariner, & Super Trooper V2 come from? |
07-27-2009, 03:50 PM | #7764 |
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Mariner made one appearance in a DDP comic. Was never a toy. I think it was another character DDP was hoping to get "made" like they did Kamakura. I have a scan of the page, have to see if can find it.
Chameleon was never in the comics and just made an appearance as a toy. Not sure about Super-Trooper.
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07-27-2009, 03:52 PM | #7765 |
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In my Cobraverse, Cobra is pretty divided;
Cobra Commander took over Trucial Abysimia and created the nation of the Sovereign Cobra Nation of Abysimia. The world looks upon them as a rogue state similar to North Korea. Serpentor has become the democratically elected president of Sierra Gordo under the guise of Felipe Anibal Cesar. He has the Coil with him. I really like Zulu's coporate take on Cobra. similar to mine (My Cobra is more blatantly political), but far more fleshed out and thought provoking. Thumbs up on that! |
07-27-2009, 03:54 PM | #7766 |
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So were the other ones I listed Sgt. Savage characters? |
07-27-2009, 03:55 PM | #7767 |
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Thanks! I'm digging your's and Tyroc's alternative takes on Cobra as well. The thing about Cobra is that it generally lends itself to more creative (in a certain sense) "realistic" reinterpretations, just because you aren't limited by real-world military protocol and structural limitations.
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07-27-2009, 03:58 PM | #7768 |
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I believe so. Super-Trooper is the "huh" one.
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07-27-2009, 04:21 PM | #7769 |
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I've never heard of a second Super Trooper. That's weird.
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07-27-2009, 04:31 PM | #7770 |
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All this talk about the structure of Cobra bring up a good topic:
What is your Cobra Commander like? I'll start, I guess. My CC's background is very similar to the comic retelling, both ARAH and Reloaded (Those who haven't read Cobra Reloaded really should.) He was a small time businessman who lost his job, his brother, and his wife (to a nasty divorce), which caused him to snap. Faking his death and kidnapping his son William, he fled to Springfield, Insert-State-Here, and made his living as a bit of a con-man. His paranoid anti-government/big business/people in power ravings began to attract like minded men and women, and within 5 years, he pretty much controlled the town. Springfield had a car factory that pretty much employed everyone, which was shut down to move it to a foreign location to save the CEO a few nickles. CC's pyramid scheme eventually ended up employing the entire town, or at least those who were loyal to him. Those that resisted wee "disappeared" by their neighbors. He hooked up with Vance Wingfield, the founder of Strike First, and began using that group to train the future Cobra soldiers. Throughout the 80's, Cobra was active stirring up civil unrest across the globe, and recruiting, recruiting, recruiting... going so far as to partner with, and eventually take over other militant groups. By 198x, Cobra was the LARGEST militant group in the world. Cobra Commander himself is a very cunning man. He possesses a natural charisma that sways the weak willed to his way of thinking. He's not necessarilly a coward, but he is smart enough to know when to run, and rarely takes part in front line actions. He is a bit prone to melodrama, however, much like in the cartoon. He's not really looking to take over the world, per se, but he would really like it if the worlds governments were all toppled, preferably by him. Cobra acts as a slow cancer on the world. He doesn't really understand the use of WMDs and such... bad PR after all. He has his lackeys infiltrating governments, both national and local, hoping that eventually, they will simply be puppets for him to control. Over the years, his ability to really empathize with other people has eroded, and to him the world is divided into two groups. Those loyal to him, and those loyal to the "Fat Cats" who want to crush the common man. GI Joe to him is a group of brainwashed stooges who fight for non-existant concepts like "freedom". He would kill someone without a second thought. To him, they are simply pawns to be moved about a board. Cobra soldiers can be replaced, after all, and his enemies deserve nothing better. To the outside world, their only knowledge of him are "leaked" speeches and pictures of him. He knows that remaining sympathetic is the key to controlling people. He not only honestly believes his "Common Man versus Big Evil Government/Corporations" speil, he also knows that many people are inclined to agree with him. Really, if you combine early Hitler, Extremist Political crackpot radio/tv hosts and Che Guevara and put him under a hood, you have my CC. |
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