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07-15-2009, 01:52 PM | #7511 |
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Was worried that my take on Mirage would render him unrecognizable (given the far-out Mega Marines design of the original). Glad that there's at least one of you who recognizes him off the bat.
Always wondered what those things were on his boots in the original toy. He looked like he was wearing the Stomper boots from the godawful Super Mario Brothers movie.
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07-15-2009, 04:57 PM | #7512 |
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You can always take the discussion to PM if you really want to hear people's thoughts in a manner that won't break the forum rules. Maybe have a roundtable discussion via PM. I wouldn't mind moderating a "serious" discussion myself (one that necessitates citing credible references, texts, and data, and not the type of pseudo-discussion that involves ripping on each other's beliefs and political alignment) if I wasn't so sure that it would be too time-consuming and effort-intensive to do so.
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I could actually see Hawk going rogue if he felt that the politicians and armchair warriors were hamstringing his efforts to defeat Cobra. He might start a completely new unit, or encourage some of the current team to go with him. Sorry, but I think Snake Eyes is too obvious a choice for a rogue agent.
Yeah automatically recognizable. Crazy-Legs looks great. |
07-15-2009, 05:05 PM | #7513 |
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I think SE would be the first of example of a rogue warrior, but even SE has morals, except for the time when Storm Shadow put the ninja mindset on him while Scarlett was in a coma.
I've been trying to put together an outline for a story about the early Joes in Vietnam and I was thinking about putting one of them, perhaps Recondo, in Tiger Force. Some of the Joes will serve together and others will meet at Recondo school or out in the bush and form friendships that eventually bring them back together when the Joe team is formed. I'm using file cards and the marvel comics to piece together the moment when Hawk recruits the original thirteen but I'm not sure how to explain the Joe team that existed before them. Colton first created the team in 1964 under the appointment of JFK, but the original Joes do not join until the mid 70s. According to the comics, Snake Eyes fought during the Tet Offensive. He was in Nam on Jan 31, 1968 when the Baroness's brother was killed. We also know that he and Tommy had been in Nam for a whole tour when Collins, Escobedo and Saperstein are killed during the infamous recon mission, and Stalker had only been with them for 6 months at that point. So if we assume that SE met Stalker at the beginning of 1968 and 6 months later he gets wounded and sent home, then he would have left for Japan sometime later that year. We know he stays in Japan for three years and then goes home to live in the High Sierras for another three years when Hawk and Stalker recruit him. That means that the original 13 started training together around '74-75. My question is: what kind of unit was the Joe team prior to Hawk and his men? What happened to Colton and the Joes he assembled in the mid 60s? Were they like a Tiger Force that had to pulled out and disbanded and rebuilt again after the war? Perhaps that's why Hawk and the others never heard of Colton until they met him around issue 88 or so. Perhaps Colton and his team were wiped from the records because something unspeakable went down. SE Stalker Storm Shadow Gung-Ho (I think, Should be) Torpedo(Should be) Spirit Wild Bill Recondo(Sounds good) Claymore Leatherneck Shipwreck Repeater(Probably) Keel Haul Payload Rock'nRoll (Should be IMO) Mainframe Zap(Should be IMO) Flint (Could be old enough DUKE Altitude(Probably) Skydive(Probably) |
07-15-2009, 05:13 PM | #7514 |
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That sounds about right, Loose. Falcon looks like he should have been, but he must have missed it by nearly a decade, given that he was a Blue Light XO.
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07-15-2009, 10:02 PM | #7515 |
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THis sounds awesome. Who are all the Vietnam vets?
SE Stalker Storm Shadow Gung-Ho (I think, Should be) Torpedo(Should be) Spirit Wild Bill Recondo(Sounds good) Claymore Leatherneck Shipwreck Repeater(Probably) Keel Haul Payload Rock'nRoll (Should be IMO) Mainframe Zap(Should be IMO) Flint (Could be old enough DUKE Altitude(Probably) Skydive(Probably) |
07-15-2009, 10:51 PM | #7516 |
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Yeah him too, although I don't think it is ever mentioned anywhere.
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07-16-2009, 12:14 AM | #7517 |
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So here are some things I'm thinking of doing with the story. Stalker joins the military several months after Snake Eyes and is assigned to the same LRRP unit as Snake in the 101st Airborne. Stalker fits the description of an Instant NCO--a Shake N Bake Sgt--given the fact that he finished at the top of his class in BCT and AIT. He would have been the perfect candidate for NCO School and this helps explain why he's a team leader in Snake's unit even though Snake has been there longer. However, since most soldiers were always weary of Instant NCOs and didn't like replacements, Stalker doesn't fit in immediately until Snake Eyes takes him under his wings and shows him how to survive in the bush. I also envision Snake as someone who started the war with a certain innocence but is eventually consumed by it, giving him a darker, grimmer side. |
07-16-2009, 12:21 AM | #7518 |
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Sounds good. I always assumed Stalker was there longer, but this little twist gives it a different feel already.
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07-16-2009, 02:51 AM | #7519 |
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Updates for 15 July 2009:
Cloudburst & Skydive Design notes: - The Cloudburst image took some effort to composite. Couldn't find a lot of pictures of HALO jumpers carrying SAWs, so I had to cobble one together from a disparate collection of images. Filecard-wise, I decided to expand on some circumstantial hints found in the original. His last name is "Ram," one of the most common South Indian/Dravidian surnames, so I developed that and made him an American of South Indian/Dravidian descent. To read their full filecards, click on the Filecard Project link in my signature. Last edited by zuludelta; 07-16-2009 at 12:30 PM.. |
07-16-2009, 08:51 AM | #7520 |
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They look good. Why's Skydive's head so fuzzy?
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