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06-28-2009, 04:46 PM | #7151 |
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Perfectly done, zulu. I can't think of a thing you could have done better. Heavy Metal has never looked more badass. What kind of backpack is that? Even though you're taking a day to do some other stuff, I've got to commend you on the pace you're setting.
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06-28-2009, 08:05 PM | #7152 |
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Hey Loose, in your list of "should be Rangers" you forgot Hit & Run.
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06-29-2009, 12:32 AM | #7153 |
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So, the short answer is: Yes, if an Infantry NCO in the 82nd, or the 101st was doing very well, he could go to Ranger School. Most of the Rangers in the Army (probably over 75%) are Ranger qualified and have never served with the Regiment. THe Regiment is very good, but pound for pound, I seriously doubt if a platoon from the regiment would be that much better than a good Infantry platoon from the 82nd or the 173rd. Additionally, the 82nd LSRC, or the 101st Pathfinders would be pretty much on par with the Regiment. See we have never really mentioned the various Long Range Surveillance Companys like the 82nd has. Or the 101st Pathfinders. I mean they had to use elements of both these units plus the 1st Air Calvary to reconstitute the 75th in Vietnam since it had been disbanded. I agree they would be as elite as the Rangers. And most likely some Joes would come from there. ie Ripcord, Freefall maybe Static Line and Airborne as well as Airwave. Here's a nice timeline for the creation of the LRRP units in Vietnam. LRRP and Ranger is almost interchangable in those days The Vietnam Experience LRRP 1966-1972 I forgot Big Brawler too. I believe he would be Ranger qualified due to his rank. Though I'm not sure about Hit & Run. Something about him says 10th mountain. Yet I believe he would most likely be Ranger Qualified like Alpine although he is only an E-4. |
06-29-2009, 12:49 AM | #7154 |
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Hey Loose, here's some history and dates that may help clarify the development of Ranger/LRRP/LRP units.
In December 1965, a provisional LRRP platoon was created by the 1st Brigade, 101st Airborne Division. More LRRP units were later formed by other divisions and brigades. General William C. Westmoreland, commander of Military Assistance Command, Vietnam (MACV), officially authorized the creation of provisional LRRP units on July 8 1966. In June 1967, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Earle G. Wheeler, authorized the formation of two long-range patrol companies. Company E (Long Range Patrol), 20th Infantry (Airborne) was activated on 25 September 1967 and Company F (Long Range Patrol), 51st Infantry (Airborne) was activated on 25 September 1967. Existing divisional LRRP units were renamed on December 20 1967. In February 1969, the Department of the Army re-designated the LRP companies and detachments as lettered Ranger companies of the 75th Infantry Regiment (Ranger). So the LRP companies and detachments were “re-flagged” as Ranger companies. The Ranger companies were inactivated as their parent units withdrew from the war between November 1969 (Company O of 3d Brigade 82d Airborne Division), and August 1972 (Company H of 1st Air Cavalry Division). In 1974, General Creighton Abrams created the 1st Ranger Battalion; eight months later, the 2nd Ranger Battalion was created; and, in 1984, the 3rd Ranger Battalion and the regimental headquarters was created. In 1986, the 75th Ranger Regiment was formed and their lineage formally authorized. |
06-29-2009, 12:51 AM | #7155 |
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See we have never really mentioned the various Long Range Surveillance Companys like the 82nd has. Or the 101st Pathfinders. I mean they had to use elements of both these units plus the 1st Air Calvary to reconstitute the 75th in Vietnam since it had been disbanded. I agree they would be as elite as the Rangers. And most likely some Joes would come from there.
ie Ripcord, Freefall maybe Static Line and Airborne as well as Airwave. Here's a nice timeline for the creation of the LRRP units in Vietnam. LRRP and Ranger is almost interchangable in those days The Vietnam Experience LRRP 1966-1972 I forgot Big Brawler too. I believe he would be Ranger qualified due to his rank. Though I'm not sure about Hit & Run. Something about him says 10th mountain. Yet I believe he would most likely be Ranger Qualified like Alpine although he is only an E-4. |
06-29-2009, 01:55 AM | #7156 |
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Yeah I just found that. It makes you wonder about Snake-Eyes, Stalker and all the Army Vets from Vietnam in the Joes. But like I mentioned we don't really discuss the other units in the Army that have a similar capabilty of the Rangers.
I feel like the only thing that sets the Rangers apart from other units is they are probably mandated to be deployed more quickly than say the entire 82nd or 101st. Plus the Rangers fall under the command of USSOCOM so they probably get more action. Maybe? You know they send either the 101st or the 82nd into combat as soon as something boils up. Plus the 1st Air Cavalry. In we were Soldiers I feel like that unit was a front runner for what is now the duty of the 75th. The first unit in sort of. But I guess that honor actually belongs to the 173rd Combat Brigade. The more I look into it the more I find of these various units with recent combat experience since the war or Terror began. These may just be Regimental or Brigade sized, but they come out of different Divisions. They may be designated as Air Cavalry or Parachute Regiment, but they are no slouches. These are the guys on the frontlines. |
06-29-2009, 08:06 AM | #7157 |
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Is all kind of confusing which units do what, lol.
Hit & Run would be 10th Mountain but I think he'd be Ranger qualified.
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06-29-2009, 11:05 AM | #7158 |
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In reality, the Rangers are just a light infantry unit capable of rapid deployment. Just because someone is serving with the 75th doesn't mean he's experienced or necessarily better than someone of the same rank in the 101st or 82nd. In Blackhawk Down, many of the Rangers were PFCs with no prior combat experience. Even a few of the sgts were green.
The Rangers are like the Marines in the sense that they are usually the tip of the spear, so more is expected of them, but that doesn't mean the 82nd Airborne couldn't be deployed first under other conditions. |
06-29-2009, 11:27 AM | #7159 |
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So they're really SOCOM's infantry unit?
I think there's alot of redundancy in the military, lots of different units that do the same "job". There's alot of overlap between units of the different branches. When created it doesn't seem like the overlap was there, but nowadays...
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06-29-2009, 11:36 AM | #7160 |
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You can become a Ranger without having gone to Ranger School by joining the 75th Ranger Regiment, but in order to remain a Ranger, you must eventually go to Ranger School. And to serve as an NCO or leader in the Ranger Regiment, Ranger School is a requirement. To lead an LRS (Long Range Surveillance) unit, which is a modern-day LRP, NCOs must attend Ranger School, which makes them Ranger qualified. Ranger qualified means you've gone through the school but you aren't serving in the 75th. It's similar to units that go through certain Special Forces school taught by Green Berets. Having received the training doesn't mean that you're now serving in a SF Group. |
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