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06-27-2009, 07:38 PM | #7141 |
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Based on Zulu's previous Post concerning Sidetrack V2. This is my take on where I think there is a difference. My Opinion of Course.
This brings up the question as well as to what the difference is between a Ranger and an Airborne Ranger. My take is that the "Airborne Rangers" are part of the 75th and thus take pride using that title. I'm curious to know if guys who are not part of the 75th would even use that term. Even if they had both Ranger and Airborne School under their belts. It's part of the song. Rangers: Stalker(Vietnam Vet) Snake-Eyes(Vietnam Vet) Hawk Claymore (Vietnam Vet) Beachhead(although the Convention Beachhead is a SF Weapons Sgt now) Tunnel-Rat (Based on his Grenada Experience) Star-Duster(Explicitly states he enlisted in the Airborne Rangers) Crazy-Legs (Airborne Ranger) Repeater (Wears the tab on his lid) Sneak-Peek (Legend in the Ranger Recon Battalions) Skydive (Ranger School Instructor) Crankcase (Due to SAS training which would not be available otherwise) Sidetrack V2 (Because he was a wrestler, and he is listed as a Ranger) Rampage(Served in the same Ranger Detachment as Beachhead) Ranger School Grads only: Clutch Scarlett Alpine Lady Jaye Free-Fall Green Berets with Ranger School Duke Flint LRRPs/Pathfinders (Probably 75th Rangers) Recondo Recoil Pathfinders Spirit (Vietnam Vet) Wild-Bill (Vietnam Vet) Outback Muskrat (What purpose does a guy serve as a Jungle warfare guy if he isn't a Ranger) Dart(Pathfinder) Sidetrack V1 Crosshairs Probably Ranger Qualified due to rank. (My theory: career military soldiers go to Ranger School eventually) Capt Grid-Iron Rapid-Fire Altitude Airwave Airborne (Six) Col Courage Crossfire Double-Blast I got nothing: (Should be Rangers) Ambush Spearhead Rock'n'Roll Grunt Footloose Ripcord Airborne (Talltree) Dusty Roadblock (DDP) Dial-Tone Wreckage Breaker |
06-27-2009, 10:07 PM | #7142 |
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Two more updates:
Scoop & Rumbler Design notes: - I rewrote Scoop's training history, giving him a PSYOP background (that way, he's still an SOF soldier, even though he's neither Special Forces nor a Ranger) who reclassified into Signal Support. The original character's job (Information Specialist) screams "PSYOP" and infowar (propaganda) anyway. - I started out quite indifferent to Rumbler (seeing as how the toy was just a mish-mash of Heavy Metal and Footloose parts originally) but I actually started liking the character, background-wise, while researching stuff for his filecard. I decided to highlight his prior career as an IRS Special Agent by noting his professional special agent schooling along with his military specialty training in the updated filecard, as it serves to distinguish him from Clutch, Heavy Metal, Crankcase and Skidmark (all of whom are somewhat interchangeable in terms of their role and function -- and appearance in the case of Heavy Metal and Rumbler -- on the team). To view the filecards, click on the link in my signature. Last edited by zuludelta; 06-27-2009 at 10:17 PM.. |
06-27-2009, 10:20 PM | #7143 |
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Fantastic updates, z. Love the look of both guys.
These pass all the criteria for solid recreations. It's cool you gave Rumbler his own flavor as well. You're really putting all of those vehicle drivers to good use. |
06-27-2009, 10:22 PM | #7144 |
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Dude you're on a role. First Airwave, now these two. Awesome Zulu Awesome!!
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06-27-2009, 10:29 PM | #7145 |
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Based on Zulu's previous Post concerning Sidetrack V2. This is my take on where I think there is a difference. My Opinion of Course.
This brings up the question as well as to what the difference is between a Ranger and an Airborne Ranger. My take is that the "Airborne Rangers" are part of the 75th and thus take pride using that title. I'm curious to know if guys who are not part of the 75th would even use that term. Even if they had both Ranger and Airborne School under their belts. It's part of the song. Rangers: Stalker(Vietnam Vet) Snake-Eyes(Vietnam Vet) Hawk Claymore (Vietnam Vet) Beachhead(although the Convention Beachhead is a SF Weapons Sgt now) Tunnel-Rat (Based on his Grenada Experience) Star-Duster(Explicitly states he enlisted in the Airborne Rangers) Crazy-Legs (Airborne Ranger) Repeater (Wears the tab on his lid) Sneak-Peek (Legend in the Ranger Recon Battalions) Skydive (Ranger School Instructor) Crankcase (Due to SAS training which would not be available otherwise) Sidetrack V2 (Because he was a wrestler, and he is listed as a Ranger) Rampage(Served in the same Ranger Detachment as Beachhead) Ranger School Grads only: Clutch Scarlett Alpine Lady Jaye Free-Fall Green Berets with Ranger School Duke Flint LRRPs/Pathfinders (Probably 75th Rangers) Recondo Recoil Pathfinders Spirit (Vietnam Vet) Wild-Bill (Vietnam Vet) Outback Muskrat (What purpose does a guy serve as a Jungle warfare guy if he isn't a Ranger) Dart(Pathfinder) Sidetrack V1 Crosshairs Probably Ranger Qualified due to rank. (My theory: career military soldiers go to Ranger School eventually) Capt Grid-Iron Rapid-Fire Altitude Airwave Airborne (Six) Col Courage Crossfire Double-Blast I got nothing: (Should be Rangers) Ambush Spearhead Rock'n'Roll Grunt Footloose Ripcord Airborne (Talltree) Dusty Roadblock (DDP) Dial-Tone Wreckage Breaker As for the distinction between "Ranger" versus "Airborne Ranger" there is no distinction made in common parlance. If a soldier has a Ranger tab, that soldier must also be Airborne qualified, because Airborne school is a prerequisite for Ranger school - no exceptions. Usually, however, when a soldier is serving in the Ranger Regiment, it is often said, "He's in the Regiment" or "He served in the Regiment". No one needs to explain which regiment. The 75th Infantry Regiment carries such a mystique that it is often simply called "THE Regiment". So to distinguish a Ranger who served in the Ranger Regiment, one would simply say, "Stalker and Sky Dive served in the Regiment". That would suffice. Everyone would understand.
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06-27-2009, 10:42 PM | #7146 |
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I'm officially a Virginian now. It's nice to be finished moving, and I'm glad to be back on the Tank.
Also, just my two cents, but Michael Jackson was a musical genius. There's a lot that I don't know and don't understand about his personal life, but the man had genuine talent, and I hope he finds peace. That's all I have to say about that.
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06-28-2009, 01:40 AM | #7147 |
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You certainly make mention of it, but Beach-Head should be listed as a Green Beret with a Ranger Tab like Duke and Flint... because once someone qualifies as Special Forces, it gives them a whole new MOS that is specific to the Special Forces Groups. In other words, once you're an 18 series, there are no slots outside of one of the Groups for an 18 series soldier.
As for the distinction between "Ranger" versus "Airborne Ranger" there is no distinction made in common parlance. If a soldier has a Ranger tab, that soldier must also be Airborne qualified, because Airborne school is a prerequisite for Ranger school - no exceptions. Usually, however, when a soldier is serving in the Ranger Regiment, it is often said, "He's in the Regiment" or "He served in the Regiment". No one needs to explain which regiment. The 75th Infantry Regiment carries such a mystique that it is often simply called "THE Regiment". So to distinguish a Ranger who served in the Ranger Regiment, one would simply say, "Stalker and Sky Dive served in the Regiment". That would suffice. Everyone would understand. As far as the Airborne Ranger vs Ranger thing, I'm just trying to decipher the filecards. It seems to me the author which may not be Larry tries to place emphasis on Airborne Ranger when it is used. I know to be a Ranger, Airborne qualification is part of the training. And Why not that's a 3 week course. But as in Starduster, Skydive, Crazylegs, and Sneak Peek. Using the term "Airborne Ranger" seems to signify the 75th Regiment. Although Freefall is not called an Airborne Ranger. Would an E-5 from say the 82nd or the 101st just take the Ranger training, or be allowed to? Like we've discussed before, Ranger School is as much a leadership training course as anything else. Oh yeah Welcome to the Commonwealth! |
06-28-2009, 01:08 PM | #7148 |
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Yeah I really believe Beachhead is now a 18B SF weapons Sgt. I just imagine that not everyone feels that way since only the Convention Beachhead is mentioned as such. For this argument he's a BadAss anyway.
As far as the Airborne Ranger vs Ranger thing, I'm just trying to decipher the filecards. It seems to me the author which may not be Larry tries to place emphasis on Airborne Ranger when it is used. I know to be a Ranger, Airborne qualification is part of the training. And Why not that's a 3 week course. But as in Starduster, Skydive, Crazylegs, and Sneak Peek. Using the term "Airborne Ranger" seems to signify the 75th Regiment. Although Freefall is not called an Airborne Ranger. Would an E-5 from say the 82nd or the 101st just take the Ranger training, or be allowed to? Like we've discussed before, Ranger School is as much a leadership training course as anything else. Oh yeah Welcome to the Commonwealth! As for an E-5 from the 82nd or the 101st, that's exactly who gets to go... right after all the new Infantry Officers, and the Special Operations guys. Infantry units from the 82nd, the 101st, the 10th, the 25th, the 3rd, the 4th, 1st Cav, etc... all get slots to send soldiers to Ranger school. They usually use those slots as incentives for their NCO's. They want to send leaders who can use the training to help the unit, but they also want to give to guys who want it and deserve to be there. There are only so many slots in Ranger school in any given year. Priority is given to New Infantry Officers and Special Operations soldiers. The Marine Corps and Navy SEALs are offered some slots, but those are pretty limited and the number of slots allocated to the Department of the Navy has decreased in recent years. So, the short answer is: Yes, if an Infantry NCO in the 82nd, or the 101st was doing very well, he could go to Ranger School. Most of the Rangers in the Army (probably over 75%) are Ranger qualified and have never served with the Regiment. THe Regiment is very good, but pound for pound, I seriously doubt if a platoon from the regiment would be that much better than a good Infantry platoon from the 82nd or the 173rd. Additionally, the 82nd LSRC, or the 101st Pathfinders would be pretty much on par with the Regiment.
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06-28-2009, 01:11 PM | #7149 |
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Welcome to the Metro area! (You might want to think about changing your location in your profile, though, since it still has you in Mississippi ;) )
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06-28-2009, 04:07 PM | #7150 |
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A singular update for today, as I don't think I have the time to squeeze in another composite image/filecard, got a bunch of things to do. Heavy Metal Design notes: - Pretty straightforward update, I would think. Changed the leather WWII tanker jacket with a more modern Army windbreaker, swapped out the plain green trousers with ACU patterned pants. - Writing the filecard, it just occurred to me that he's got another one of those "historical pun file names," (like Frostbite's "Farley S. Seward"). Heavy Metal's real name is "Sherman Guderian" a twin reference to the Sherman Tank of World War II (which itself was named after a Civil War general) and to Heinz Guderian, architect of Germany's blitzkrieg tactic and widely considered to be the father of modern armoured warfare. As per usual, if you're interested in reading the full filecard, click on the Filecard Project link in my signature. |
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