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06-20-2009, 07:26 PM | #7001 |
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Everything looks good Zulu. I agree about most if not all the moves. Hate to see you waste art on guys like Storm but in the end this is your baby. I suppose he could go through Marinification if you needed to add a Marine Officer which seems to be something Hasbro missed. However as a LDO would they use artillery guys? I'm figuring LDO seems to be more special operators.
You've given us so many Easter Eggs as it is I don't know who is left? I imagine anyone who hasn't been following this thread when they see the final product you may just blow them away. But a couple of suggestions for Easter Eggs. 1.) make someone up. Call him Captain Zulu. My Loose Cannon cutom character is a Marine Officer, and I have at least a dozen others varying in realism. But the point is, if anyone can make one up its you. 2.) Use some of the Action Force Guys for easter eggs. I know you were planning another project with Action Force, but a few are Americans. Namely Jammer. I think there is another American original Action Force Character. 3.) Use the American Brazil figures. Of course, Redmack may seem a little less than PC, but Manleh or Shimik are possiblities. Their filecards are wide open. My one suggestion for the Org chart, Make Skydive the Aviation element team leader and switch Starduster with Airwave as Grenadier (Since he came with a Grenade launcher), and have Airwave in Skydive's old spot. My reasoning for moving Skydive is just that keeping with the original designation, he is the only one identified as a leader. I can't argue that ripcord doesn't make a good team leader, but Skydive was a team leader. I'm sure most people really don't notice, but Promotions are cool, but demotions sort of raise questions. I really don't care, even though I'm a huge Sky Patrol fan. However we are all aware of the oddness of their ranks. |
06-20-2009, 07:51 PM | #7002 |
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I've actually gone so far as to read up on the Ninja Force characters, because some of them seem to have redeeming (or redeemable) design features. I just can't get past the fact that besides Snake-Eyes, Storm-Shadow and Scarlett, they're all Italian-American guys from New York using random Asian words for their code names. As a person of Asian descent, it's not that I'm offended by it, I just find it funny (in a "I'm-laughing-at-them, not laughing-with-them" sense). Sort of like how an ostensibly "white" Cobra character calling himself "Mzungu" would probably earn a few raised eyebrows and sarcastic/bemused guffaws among certain demographic groups. T'jbang, in particular, was probably the height of forced "Asian legitimacy" on the Ninja Force leading to somewhat nonsensical character designs. "T'jbang" (actual anglicanized spelling is "chabang" or "tjabang") is a Malay-Indonesian word for the weapon more commonly known in popular media as the sai (it's what Raphael from the Ninja Turtles uses). The character, however, isn't armed with anything that remotely looks like a tjabang, and is armed with a pair of traditional Chinese hook swords ("tiger heads"). To make matters worse, the artist making the card art must have seen the toy hook swords while they were still attached to the plastic "tree," and assumed that they were actually supposed to be a single weapon, leading to a ridiculously rendered weapon on the card art. You gotta love early 1990s toys and the mad rush toy manufacturers went in to cash in on the Ninja Turtles craze.
I always wondered how someone of Asian decent felt about those guys. We've discussed it before, but the same goes for Banzai, (Balducci) and Bushido,(goldstein) and probably Tgin-Zu. (Can't read his last name.) Yet those 3 are from New York as well. What do their names mean? Kamakura has some redeeming qualities from the later years. And I as far as we know he is actually had Special Forces Training. One of the less than 10 Green Berets on the Joes. Tiger Claw (Ocho-Cinco/Chad Johnson) not so much. |
06-20-2009, 08:41 PM | #7003 |
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My one suggestion for the Org chart, Make Skydive the Aviation element team leader and switch Starduster with Airwave as Grenadier (Since he came with a Grenade launcher), and have Airwave in Skydive's old spot. My reasoning for moving Skydive is just that keeping with the original designation, he is the only one identified as a leader. I can't argue that ripcord doesn't make a good team leader, but Skydive was a team leader.
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I always wondered how someone of Asian decent felt about those guys. We've discussed it before, but the same goes for Banzai, (Balducci) and Bushido,(goldstein) and probably Tgin-Zu. (Can't read his last name.) Yet those 3 are from New York as well. What do their names mean?
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06-20-2009, 09:38 PM | #7004 |
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I have 2 concepts for the Joe team, the one that I'm building the base around and the real one that I would recreate Joe as.
In the 2nd one, the Joe team is maybe 40 members strong and similar to how Zulu has 'em, but they're completely "on their own" so to speak. If they're caught on a mission, there's no connection between them and the DoD. That does make it hard to get to the mission zones but.. So in this pared down team there's only 3 of the drivers/pilots and that's Clutch, Crankcase and Wild Bill. The reason is that these 3 all have Ranger/Infantry training along with their vehicle training. They would be in mission with the others and it's their job to find and "drive" the means for the mission team to get out and away safely. So I'm liking how you have 'em used Zulu. I'll take alook at the new chart tonight.
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06-20-2009, 10:06 PM | #7005 |
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Just got done reading the new chart. I like it alot.
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06-21-2009, 01:06 AM | #7006 |
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I have 2 concepts for the Joe team, the one that I'm building the base around and the real one that I would recreate Joe as.
In the 2nd one, the Joe team is maybe 40 members strong and similar to how Zulu has 'em, but they're completely "on their own" so to speak. If they're caught on a mission, there's no connection between them and the DoD. That does make it hard to get to the mission zones but.. So in this pared down team there's only 3 of the drivers/pilots and that's Clutch, Crankcase and Wild Bill. The reason is that these 3 all have Ranger/Infantry training along with their vehicle training. They would be in mission with the others and it's their job to find and "drive" the means for the mission team to get out and away safely. So I'm liking how you have 'em used Zulu. I'll take alook at the new chart tonight. |
06-21-2009, 05:22 AM | #7007 |
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Thanks!
SEAL Team Six? Red Cell? Couple of new images/filecards tonight, with an underlying theme tying the characters together: Armadillo & Skystriker The theme, if you haven't guessed it by now, is "characters named after famous Joe vehicles." I don't know if it was carelessness on Hasbro/Larry Hama's part, but whatever the case, I always thought it odd that multiple characters would share names wtih some pretty iconic Joe vehicles (the Armadillo "mini-tank" and the XF-14 Skystriker). To add to the slight of being named after a pretty funny-looking vehicle, Armadillo had to suffer through the indignity of being referred to by the wrong name in his first and only prominent comics appearance (issue #80 of the original Marvel series). The whole issue, he's referred to as "Rumbler," who was a different character. I can see Heavy Metal being mistaken for Rumbler, since the toys shared certain parts -- the torso and the arms if I'm not mistaken -- but Armadillo and Rumbler didn't look similar at all (Armadillo was a distinct-looking figure, he might very well have been the ugliest GI Joe character pre-1989 in terms of facial sculpt... I never had one, but from the catalogs and pack-in brochures, he looked like his head was taken from the mold too early, resulting in a bad case of "melty-face"). Design notes: - There was no way I was going to use Skystriker's original garish colours in this more realistic take on the team. Conveniently enough though, the USAF's new-ish Airman Battle Uniform utilizes a tiger-stripe pattern, so I was at least able to incorporate a recognizable element of the original's costume without having to abuse artistic license (not too much, at least). - I tried to make him a "true" special operations aviation guy in his filecard. Not just a guy who pilots special operations-specific aircraft, but one trained in FID advising. - As for Armadillo, I basically just tried to adapt the vague MOSes of the original filecard within current MOS structure. He naturally fit as a Cavalry Scout (given the armor and reconnaissance MOSes of the original), and I threw in water treatment specialist for kicks. One thing I've always wondered, are there that many Native Americans in the US Armed Forces? Off the top off my head, there seems to be a disproportionately large number of mainland Native Americans on the team (Spirit, Airborne, Armadillo, Dart, Sky Patrol Altitude... I'm probably missing at least a couple more) relative to, say, the number of Latinos (who are one of the largest visible/linguistic minority groups in the Spec-Ops community). Also noticed that he has one of those file names that seem to have been made up for pun-based laughs and/or ham-fisted irony (like Cutter's "Skip A. Stone," Hardtop's "Nicolas D. Klas," and Frostbite's "Farley Seward"). Philo is Latin for "love" and he has the distinctly Native-American surname of Make-Peace. Anyways, their full filecards can be read by clicking on the links in my signature. |
06-21-2009, 09:07 AM | #7008 |
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One thing I've always wondered, are there that many Native Americans in the US Armed Forces? Off the top off my head, there seems to be a disproportionately large number of mainland Native Americans on the team (Spirit, Airborne, Armadillo, Dart, Sky Patrol Altitude... I'm probably missing at least a couple more) relative to, say, the number of Latinos (who are one of the largest visible/linguistic minority groups in the Spec-Ops community)
Moving away from that, it's kind of strange, but I've come to enjoy some of the later year redesigns more than the golden years ones. I think because the line got so weird later on, it's nice to see you bring them back to earth, yet still look individualized and recognizable. With the earlier designs, you probably have to include so many of the original characteristics, so there are fewer surprises. Although I must say, characters who have had more than one iconic figure that get those looks integrated into one design are my favorite (your latest Duke, Rock n Roll and Roadblock particularly come to mind). Your project has really forced me to care more about the guys who came after I was out of Joe and had no intentions on integrating into my collection (and a strain on my wallet too, thank you not so much). As such, I was still able to immediately know who both of these guys were (which is the primary thing I judge all of the redesigns on), and really enjoyed the updates. GLad to see you're back to kicking ass with artwork and filecards after the (kickass) diversion into charts and insignia. EDIT: Happy Father's Day to all my fellow dads! Last edited by Master Thespian; 06-21-2009 at 09:24 AM.. |
06-21-2009, 01:48 PM | #7009 |
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So what would everyone's "dream team" of Joe be? If you could redesign from the ground up, but the one caveat would be that you have to use existing characters, how would you do it and what characters would you use?
I'd lose the air, armor and artillery. I'd make Joe a smaller and more rapid reaction force. They'd be like Delta, but only Delta on Steroids. They'd be completely off the books, dropped in and on their own to get out. Complete denialbility. Hawk* - team leader, mission planner Duke - squad leader, ranger Flint - squad leader, airborne assault, green beret Falcon - squad leader, green beret Claymore – squad leader, intelligence, special forces Airborne - airborne assault, ranger Hit & Run - light infantry, ranger Scarlet – counterintelligence, sniper, ranger Stalker - ranger Roadblock - heavy weapons specialist, ranger Snake Eyes - ranger Shipwreck - SEAL Lady Jaye - counterintelligence Mainframe* - computer analyst Wild Bill - helicopter pilot, ranger Crankcase - light vehicle specialist, ranger Barrell Roll - high altitude marksman, airborne assault Airtight - hostile environment specialist Tripwire - explosives specialist Alpine - mountainous terrain specialist, ranger Dusty - desert survival specialist, green beret Snow Job - cold weather survival specialist, ranger Recondo - jungle survival specialist, green beret Chuckles - intelligence, undercover Lifeline - pararescueman Beachhead - ranger Big Ben – SAS, British Diana – sniper, Russian May Day - sniper, urban warfare specialist Gung Ho – marine force recon Leatherneck - marine force recon Tunnel Rat – ranger, explosive ordance disposal specialist Pysche Out* - psychologist anyalyst, profiler, psy-ops Shockwave - SWAT, urban warfare specialist Torpedo - SEAL Grand Slam - Anti-armor specialist, forward observer Outback - survival specialist, special forces Spearhead - Recon/Infiltration specialist, ranger Low-Light – sniper Cross Hair – sniper Sneak Peek – Recon/Infiltration specialist, ranger I tinkered with the MOS a bit on some of 'em cause this list combines the figures that would be the best mix of MOS and the ones that I liked the best. Like I tweeked Spearhead a bit, cause he was always one of my favorites, same with Airborne. Crankcase and Wildbill get added because of their vehicle specialities as well as they had additional infantry training. They'd be the guys responsible for getting the teams out of the mission zones. So there's my "dream team". edit: Yeah, Happy Father's Day to the dads in the group.
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06-21-2009, 09:35 PM | #7010 |
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Is there a size limit? 40 men + Hawk.
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