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06-17-2009, 01:54 PM | #6941 |
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Right. Which is where I'm having a hard time thinking where to put 'em.
I think I'll end up putting 'em in the artillery unit and just having them man the artillery. What would a typical artillery team look like? Say for a Whirlwind and a Howitzer? Is a tow vehicle and driver attached to each piece of equipment and does the driver double as another role? The crew of the M109 consists of a section chief, driver, three gunners who prepare the ammunition, load, and fire the weapon, and two gunners who aim the cannon. The gunner aims the cannon left or right (deflection), the assistant gunner aims the cannon up and down (quadrant). The M109A6 Paladin needs only one gunner and two ammunition handlers for a total crew of six. The M198 has a crew of 9! M198 howitzer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia soon to be replaced by the M777 with only a crew of 5. M777 howitzer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia These are the big daddys of course. The M102 and the M119 are smaller but crews of 7 M102 105mm Lightweight Towed Howitzer M119 howitzer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia I don't think that includes the transportation crew. But Artillery is never in the front, and where it gets set up in needs to be dug in. Versus a Ranger Mortar team who basically carry a 60mm mortar on their backs More Artillery goodness: U.S. Army Fact Files |
06-17-2009, 02:01 PM | #6942 |
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There's nothing like being able to have artillery support for your team up front! My uncle was a forward observer during the Viet Nam War and he would call in fire support for the men in the field! The only thing is you have to move it into position and defend your fire base. Of course you can also get air support from fly boys when the conditions are right!
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06-17-2009, 02:14 PM | #6943 |
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So I'm thinking the best thing for the Joes and give them the most flexibility in choosing the artillery for each mission, as needed, is instead of specific crews for each type have cross-trained people.
So have 3 or 4 Gunners, 3 or 4 Assisstant Gunners, 3 or 4 Loaders, etc.. that can be assigned as needed. So the Joes could put out 3 or 4 pieces of different artillery as needed. So maybe have enough personal for 2 teams of 7 or can be broken down into 4 teams if needed?
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06-17-2009, 02:31 PM | #6944 |
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It's sort of surprising how many men it takes to man a piece of artillery. The new M777 only need a crew of 5 which is pretty amazing. The mortars only need a crew of 3. I'm not sure how big a mortar section is in a Ranger Battalion. Maybe 2 or 3 pieces per company so like 9-10 men tops?
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06-17-2009, 02:38 PM | #6945 |
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Yeah, I definately don't want to have a crew for each piece of equipment. That's just alot of men.
So I think I'll have just people trained in each position that can be divided up on "per mission" and "per equipment" needs. Then have an "attached" driver/escort team. So an artillery unit would be 2-3 Jeeps, the artillery, and the ammunition. The driver/escorts/artillery crew would be in the Jeeps.
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06-17-2009, 02:54 PM | #6946 |
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A typical Ranger rifle company would have one ranger section (containing two three-man mortar teams each) as part of its weapons platoon. So a Ranger battalion, which is comprised of three rifle companies, would have 6 mortars, manned by 18 men in total. These are just light 60 mm mortars though, suited for relatively short-range indirect fires against unarmoured or lightly armoured/fortified targets. Anything more powerful would need to be towed by a vehicle to be able to keep up with the rest of the company. The Rangers will occasionally use 120 mm mortars (which require a 5 man crew to operate) when stealth and mobility is not as big a concern as the ability to lay down copious amounts of indirect fires. They'll tow these using the MORTSOV (Mortar Special Operations Vehicle... it sounds real fancy, but it's actually just a modified Land Rover Defender 110).
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06-17-2009, 07:16 PM | #6947 |
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So I have 15x20 room. 2 per room for the enlisted. Or taking into account they're in a mountain, should I give them more "living space" and only have 1 per room?
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06-17-2009, 09:44 PM | #6948 |
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Wow how considerate. I'll take the corner room with the window. What no windows?
I guess everyone wants their own rooms but you have to see how much space you have to be realistic. I mean you could just add another level, but somewhere along the line the guy who is paying for ft Hama, or managing its funds will say hell no let's bunk 4 to a room. |
06-17-2009, 11:11 PM | #6949 |
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So let me see if I have this down right. Each branch has its own Forward Air Controller, though the Army's FACs are limited.
The Army uses JSOs (Joint Fires observers), previsously known as FACs, and before that they were called FAGs (Forward Air Guides)--gee, I wonder how many complaints it took before they changed this name! And FOs (Forward Observers) are primarily used for mortar and artillery guidance, and sometimes Close Air Support--but that's primarily the job of a JSO. The Navy and Marines use JTACs (Joint Termianl Attack Controllers), also called FACs. And the USAF uses CCTs (Combat Controll Teams). Last edited by Tanksmasher; 06-17-2009 at 11:14 PM.. |
06-17-2009, 11:19 PM | #6950 |
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That sounds about right Tanksmasher, the eyes for the ordinance and the guiding for those bringing death from above! Sneak a Peek is the one that I always considered as the forward eyes even though his uniform was not likely a great idea for being very covert in the different train!
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