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06-06-2009, 12:49 PM | #6621 |
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They can carry RHIBs and small amphibious vehicles if that's what you mean. They can also offload materiel and cargo directly onto shallow, undeveloped, austere ports and harbours (its draft is just a little over 10 feet, unheard of in a ship of its displacement and carrying capacity) using a built-in extending aft ramp, impossible with any other similar-class ship in the Navy's inventory. They can't directly "beach" their hulls like LCMs, though, but I imagine a skilled quartermaster can steer it close enough to the naked shore that the extending ramp could reach far enough inland to allow direct offload of light wheeled vehicles equipped with engine "snorkels."
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06-06-2009, 01:10 PM | #6622 |
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They can carry RHIBs and small amphibious vehicles if that's what you mean. They can also offload materiel and cargo directly onto shallow, undeveloped, austere ports and harbours (its draft is just a little over 10 feet, unheard of in a ship of its displacement and carrying capacity) using a built-in extending aft ramp, impossible with any other similar-class ship in the Navy's inventory. They can't directly "beach" their hulls like LCMs, though, but I imagine a skilled quartermaster can steer it close enough to the naked shore that the extending ramp could reach far enough inland to allow direct offload of light wheeled vehicles equipped with engine "snorkels."
Exactly what I was wondering. So how do they typically offload equipment. In a port with Cranes? Is there a ramp to load and unload from? If they use Landing Craft is there a Crane aporatus to inside to load landing craft with? I can see men loading into landing craft but I'm not sure how it works with the equipment it can carry. |
06-06-2009, 01:52 PM | #6623 |
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Yeah I guess if you deploy an Air Force the E-3 in totally necessary. Although carrier based aircraft would be using the E-2 Hawkeye for a similar function.
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06-06-2009, 02:10 PM | #6624 |
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Exactly what I was wondering. So how do they typically offload equipment. In a port with Cranes? Is there a ramp to load and unload from? If they use Landing Craft is there a Crane aporatus to inside to load landing craft with? I can see men loading into landing craft but I'm not sure how it works with the equipment it can carry.
For offloading onto undeveloped coasts (i.e., beaches and shores with no port or harbor infrastructure), a large navy ship would need to have an LCU (landing craft utility) handy, and the LCU would ferry cargo, personnel, and vehicles from the ship (which would be anchored in deeper waters) to the shore. The problem with something like this is that LCUs are relatively slow and can't be expected to keep up with the ship they're supporting. What would sometimes happen is that an LCU is dispatched days, even weeks ahead of the ship it will be supporting and they just meet in the theatre of operations. They're trying to use the LCAC (which sort of looks like the Killer W.H.A.L.E.) to replace the LCU but there are a lot of drawbacks to the LCAC that offset its greater speed. - First off, its fuel-efficiency is horrendous. It can ferry at maximum weight continuously for only something like 5 hours, its nominal range is a paltry 200 nautical miles. The navy's LCUs have a nominal range of 1200 miles and the Army's largest LCU, the LCU2000, has a range of 10 000 miles (light capacity)/6500 miles (fully capacity) - Secondly, its lift capacity isn't all that impressive compared to the old-school LCUs or even the smaller, discontinued LCMs. The LCAC can carry 60 tons (75 tons in sheltered and calm waters). The navy's LCUs can carry 170 tons and the army's LCU2000's maximum lift capacity is 350 tons. Granted, the LCAC isn't meant to be a "stand-alone" vehicle. It's always been meant to be stowed inside a much larger amphiibious assault ship, deployed only when they have to offload materiel onto an undeveloped beach. Still, it's a very limited (not to mention a very expensive) solution to a problem that can probably be addressed with more efficiency and versatility. The JHSV combines some of the best features of an LCU, a high speed commercial ferry, and a merchant cargo ship. It can be operated in shallow harbors and its onboard crane allows it to use the most basic of ports. It's faster than any conventional ship the navy has (anything that's unclassified, anyway). It can carry something in the neighbourhood of 700 tons. And it's got a helipad and a two-Blackhawk hangar. It's the type of seagoing logistics vehicle that I think the Joe team could really use to great effect. No LCAC? No port (not even an undeveloped one)? No problem. Just use the onboard helicopters to lift light vehicles onto the shore. |
06-06-2009, 02:14 PM | #6625 |
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Yeah, I'm definately giving my Joes 2 JHSVs. It sounds like a great ship. I'm pissed there's no models on SK-Up's 3D Warehouse yet (that and the Army's MRAP, I'm "dying" for a model of one of those).
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06-06-2009, 02:16 PM | #6626 |
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Here's a question, do Generals have full-time bodyguards well on base?
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06-06-2009, 02:20 PM | #6627 |
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If you're handy with detailed modelling, I recall INCAT (the guys who made the HSV-2 Swift) had some pretty detailed specs on their site (don't know if tehy've since been taken down, though). Maybe you can work off of those to make a rough 3D approximation of it.
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06-06-2009, 02:27 PM | #6628 |
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Who needs Google We got Zuludelta. Thanks. So where do they Store the LCUs. I see a cargo ship can bring one to theater, or a few. But what did the Marines do in the Pacific. D-Day I can see the LCUs making the trip across the channel but where did the Marines keep theirs. These stored on the Ship somewhere or Towed?
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06-06-2009, 02:27 PM | #6629 |
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Most officers in significant command and staff roles have a chaffeur/driver assigned to them. Additionally, they can get a detached MP, infantryman, or even an E.O.D. specialist for additional protection as warranted. All four can and do serve in the "bodyguard" capacity.
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06-06-2009, 02:29 PM | #6630 |
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Hawk has Clutch as a Driver/Bodyguard. I have no Idea. I know there are a few Generals living in my neck of the woods. I've seen a Brigader General on the Metro with a Col. No bodyguard. So i'd say no. |
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