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06-04-2009, 08:23 AM | #6511 |
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The one problem with the Airfield is that the Joes should almost never need to fight battles on American soil with heavy equipment or Aircraft? But a Carrier based Airwing makes sense. I envision that the Flagg is a smaller Aircraft carrier. The Skystrikers and Conquest are based on there. But it's small like the Tarawa class amphibious Carriers. Maybe the Skystikers and X-30s have a SVTOL capability. The Tarawa class Carriers are like a 900 man crew and only 6-8 Harriers and 4-6 Super Cobras and about 20 various Transport Helicopters. Now if the PIT (Ft Hama) were outside Kandahar then having all that aircraft makes perfect sense. Like Bagram Air Base. But if it's in the US all the equipment is either being Serviced, or refitted and tested. There's guys who sit around all day waiting for someone to invade American Airspace. I could see the Joes having a lot of unused equipment or backup equipment. They sort of get to test new stuff out, but really only the Skyhawk would seem to be the most beneficial. The C-130s could make a trip around the world but the rest should be test craft. The idea is that the majority of the aircraft at Fort Hama isn't there for combat so much as back-up. The FLAGG would have 3-4 Skystrikers, one of those goes down, a replacement comes up from Fort Hama to replace that one on the FLAGG. In the same sense, there needs to be replacement crews. So the crews serving on the FLAGG wouldn't serve year round, 4 month "shifts" or so and then be rotated back to base. Also, if there's a mission need for a Skystriker over the Pacific and the Flagg is in the Atlantic at the time, the fighters would probably come from Fort Hama. There would also be a component for mission support for missions in South America that would most likely come out of Fort Hama.
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06-04-2009, 09:34 AM | #6512 |
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Larry Hama did an interview over at CBR (link's on the front page). Lots of stuff in there touched on several conversations we've had in this thread:
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When approaching GI Joe, did you have a concept in mind going in, or did Hasbro have a direction they wanted to take? What was the initial process of creating the back-story and story arcs for this series?
Hasbro had no idea what story was. That was why they brought in Marvel. Knowing what you can’t do is the best talent to have. Then, you can get somebody who knows how to do it to do it, and you can concentrate on what you do know you can do. I made up the back-story as I went along, mostly as retcon. I never submitted a single story arc beforehand because I never knew how any one given issue was going to end until I got to the last page. When I started drawing/writing “Silent Interlude” (“GI Joe: Real American Hero” #21) I had no idea that both Snake Eyes and Storm Shadow were going to have matching hexagram tattoos. You wrote the majority of the file cards for the Hasbro toys. What was that process like? Did Hasbro show you figure designs and ask you to create a name and history for the toy? How much input, if any, did they have in the process? They supplied me with a concept drawing of the figure and some sort of job description. “Missile Specialist” or something like that. Sometimes I changed that as well. They pretty much let me do my thing. I always based the characterization on real people, mostly people I knew or still know, so I had a reference point for nuances and for consistency. In any given circumstance, I knew how my cousin Randy would react, so the touchstone was always there to keep me from bending the character to the will of the plot. Many of your characters created for the comics saw their way into the toy lines. Was that a rewarding experience to see your characters expand beyond the page into the toys, cartoons, and later film? How did the rights on those characters work out? "G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero" #21 is among Hama's personal favorites Hasbro owns everything. But that was the deal from the getgo. That’s fine. It’s called “business.” I had to create new characters for the comics to hold the stories together or to facilitate storytelling. The Baroness came about because there wasn’t a single Cobra character with a visible face! It’s sort of hard to have acting going on when nobody has any agents of expression. It was very cool to see the Oktober Guard and Kwinn finally get their figures. I’m still waiting for Bongo The Balloon Bear, though. “GI Joe” featured soldiers from all areas of combat and expertise from land, sea, air and beyond. Did you have to do extensive research into the different military aspects to try to keep the book somewhat realistic in terms of weapons, combat physics, etc.? Did you have any military consultants you consulted regularly? Any films or documentaries you used for inspiration? Marvel at that time was a short walk away from a store called Sky Books that was the military book store in New York. The staff there was knew their stuff backwards and forwards. For the current SOPs I usually called the US Army PIO in New York. My friend, the late Lee Russell helped me a lot. He was a vet who a member of the Company of Military Historians and the Association of American Military Uniform Collectors. He wrote a number of books for Osprey Publishing including the terrific “Uniforms of the Vietnam War 2.” Until fairly recently, movies got everything wrong. I saw “Jarhead” with an ex-Marine who complained through the whole show. “They should spread out and keep their intervals! Why are they silhouetting themselves on the ridgeline?” “Bravo Two Zero” is amazingly right on and very detailed, down to poop-disposal in the field. It’s about Brit SAS scud-hunters in Iraq during Desert Storm. An older SAS (Aussie) movie that’s pretty good is “Odd Angry Shot.” Book-wise I would recommend everything ever written by Stephen Ambrose and John Keegan. Was there any pressure to have the continuity of the comics series of “GI Joe” match the cartoon continuity? Were there any stories or characters in the cartoon that made you cringe? Not really—until the Cobra La movie. Then, they forced me to kill off Cobra Commander to match up to the movie. I was ready to quit at that point. I mean, how stupid was that? You returned to “GI Joe” during its publishing at Devil’s Due. What was it like returning to those characters after so many years? Did you find it difficult to get into that mindset to write those characters again? They wanted me to do it “old school,” and they wanted a detailed 4-issue story arc beforehand. I’m always looking to try something new, so having to do something the way I did it 25 years ago was a drag. Having to pre-think the story structure for four issues and forcing the characters into it was even worse. Although it wasn’t anywhere near as bad as my Batman experience, where editorial insisted that the stories were for kids, and they handed me an inch thick binder that was full of stuff I was not allowed to do. Had a different problem with “Generation X” -- there, my directive was to “fix” it. I thought that it was what it was, and if it ain’t broke, etc. But I just followed the marching orders. On the Amalgam stuff, I was given pretty free rein and the results showed. The really terrific thing about taking on a book or a character that nobody cares about is that they let you do whatever you want to do on it- until it becomes successful; then everybody wants to have input into it so they can take part of the credit. Of course, if it tanks, it’s all your fault. At Marvel, the sales department would say that the X-books sold like crazy because Sales did a good job of selling it. If a book didn’t sell, the Sales Department said it was because Editorial did a lousy job. That’s the way of the world, kiddies!
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06-04-2009, 09:56 AM | #6513 |
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Larry Hama did an interview over at CBR (link's on the front page). Lots of stuff in there touched on several conversations we've had in this thread:
It's pretty clear the interviewer was working from a set of questions and did no follow-up, since they repeat themselves a few times, but there's some good info in there. I loved Hama's response to the "how'd you get the Joe job" question: "I've been asked this in every interview."
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06-04-2009, 10:04 AM | #6514 |
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I thought that was pretty funny as well.
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06-04-2009, 10:06 AM | #6515 |
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At least we know that he retconned alot as the stories went along.
So things like the original filecard for Stalker saying he was an E-6, but with additional backstory it makes it so he should be higher ranking then that. Now it kind of makes sense and like I had mentioned, he didn't know the backstory when first did the original card so had to retcon as he went along.
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06-04-2009, 02:43 PM | #6516 |
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Finally finally have a Zap I'm 100% satisfied with. Next to Iceberg, he's probably the one character who's undergone the most revisions in terms of the composite image (not helped by the fact that it's difficult to find source images of soldiers carrying the M3 Ranger Anti-Tank Weapons System in a ready-to-fire-position whilst still having their face visible).
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06-04-2009, 02:52 PM | #6517 |
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At least we know that he retconned alot as the stories went along.
So things like the original filecard for Stalker saying he was an E-6, but with additional backstory it makes it so he should be higher ranking then that. Now it kind of makes sense and like I had mentioned, he didn't know the backstory when first did the original card so had to retcon as he went along. YOJOE.COM | Filecard Gallery - Stalker |
06-04-2009, 03:00 PM | #6518 |
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/sigh
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06-04-2009, 04:42 PM | #6519 |
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The idea is that the majority of the aircraft at Fort Hama isn't there for combat so much as back-up. The FLAGG would have 3-4 Skystrikers, one of those goes down, a replacement comes up from Fort Hama to replace that one on the FLAGG. In the same sense, there needs to be replacement crews. So the crews serving on the FLAGG wouldn't serve year round, 4 month "shifts" or so and then be rotated back to base.
Also, if there's a mission need for a Skystriker over the Pacific and the Flagg is in the Atlantic at the time, the fighters would probably come from Fort Hama. There would also be a component for mission support for missions in South America that would most likely come out of Fort Hama. I've often toyed with the idea of the joes having specific theaters they operate in with various commanders. Like a European Theater, African, South American, Middle East/Persian Gulf(This is where the Flagg should be). But then we have the same problem with moving around the large equipment and Aircraft. And how much would be required to be sufficient. Although I think that they would really only get to use much of the large equipment when fighting in some rogue state, where the government has collapsed. Like much of Africa, parts of south and Central America, the Middle East right now and maybe some islands of the South China Sea where there are Pirates and terrorist safe havens. |
06-04-2009, 05:02 PM | #6520 |
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I will have bases in Thule Greenland, a south american/jungle base and a middle eastern/desert base. Fort Hama is just the "main" base where the mission control center and main infantry (not the direct action, but the guys that would be used for the long term assaults like the Cobra Island invasion and the Trucial Abysmia war). The engineering unit is at Fort Hama.
Fort Hama is in North America. So say there's a mission around Hawaii and the Flagg is over between NA and Europe in the Atlantic. Ace would fly out of Fort Hama to Hawaii for the mission. So I figure the Jungle Base has 2 Tiger Rats for it's air unit. There are back-ups kept at Fort Hama for if one of those is destroyed.
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