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06-03-2009, 01:12 PM | #6471 |
Iron Grenadier
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I actually can't wait to start on the Cobra guys. So much more potential to just go crazy with the designs. Working on the Joes is great of course, but working within the constraints of contemporary military looks can be a little same-y after a while. I've already sketched out a half-dozen Viper designs and I'm raring to re-write the Cobra corporate organization's structure: I've been reading on Enron lately, and I think what I'm going to do is make Cobra a cross between Enron and Blackwater/Xe, with Fred I as the "puppet" public face and CEO of the company, a cross between Jeffrey Skilling and Erik Prince, with Cobra Commander an almost-mythical figure that no one (not even GI Joe) is sure even exists, directing things from the shadows. Destro would probably be the company's COO (Chief Operating Officer) and senior vice president in charge of the Military Armaments Research Sciences division. The Crimson Twins could be executive vice presidents in charge of the Extensive Enterprises division. I'm really enjoying re-working the Cobra organization as a proper for-profit private military contracting company, which would make it a perfect counterpoint for something like the Joe team.
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06-03-2009, 01:15 PM | #6472 |
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That dude is everywhere. I know I've seen him a dozen times. Good thing he's incognito. Although I imagine when he's back home he's working on his moonshine distillery operation and he keeps the beard.
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06-03-2009, 01:17 PM | #6473 |
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That sounds like a killer setup, although I see no way the company could be based in America. They's have to be based out of a country with very lax laws, IMO. There's only so much overt action they could really take before they would be eacalated out of the Joe's jurisdiction if they were American based. If it's covert, would be great to have the front based in the US. I agree about the actors. Sometimes, no matter the role, the other roles come into play. It's why I like using no-name actors. Sam Jackson playing Stalker is always going to be Sam Jackson playing Stalker. Some no-name would get rid of that recognition.
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06-03-2009, 01:24 PM | #6474 |
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Agree with Clint Eastwood. The only problem with using Eastwood's face is that he's so recognizable and his classic "film personas" are so dominant that they could potentially overwhelm any characterization I'd make for a character. I originally wanted to use his head for Hawk because it's got a good "hard" look to it, but I couldn't reconcile the Hawk character with Eastwood's voice, mannerisms, and Dirty Harry/Man With No Name tropes and those three things kept intruding in my visualization for the character.
I actually can't wait to start on the Cobra guys. So much more potential to just go crazy with the designs. Working on the Joes is great of course, but working within the constraints of contemporary military looks can be a little same-y after a while. I've already sketched out a half-dozen Viper designs and I'm raring to re-write the Cobra corporate organization's structure: I've been reading on Enron lately, and I think what I'm going to do is make Cobra a cross between Enron and Blackwater/Xe, with Fred I as the "puppet" public face and CEO of the company, a cross between Jeffrey Skilling and Erik Prince, with Cobra Commander an almost-mythical figure that no one (not even GI Joe) is sure even exists, directing things from the shadows. Destro would probably be the company's COO (Chief Operating Officer) and senior vice president in charge of the Military Armaments Research Sciences division. The Crimson Twins could be executive vice presidents in charge of the Extensive Enterprises division. I'm really enjoying re-working the Cobra organization as a proper for-profit private military contracting company, which would make it a perfect counterpoint for something like the Joe team. As far as your Cobra Org. Mine is set up exactly on that same premise of Cobra being a mercenary army for hire. Except being a sovereign nation they have more rights and less to worry about from the judicial system. They make money in lots of ways, but legally their income comes from Privateering sort of. If they come to help quell a resistance, or fight drug lords, they are very effective. There may be some money that comes up missing, or diamonds. And you may find your cabinet replaced by Stooges for Extensive Enterprises who give Cobra all the contracts for oil wells to diamond mines to road building. Serpentor fits in my Joeverse as a Co-head of state. He runs the Mercenary army aspect with Overlord. Cobra Commander with the Twins and Cesspool run the business aspect of it all. Destro is his own entity but with extremely strong ties to Cobra and if Cobra Contracts the Iron Grenadiers then Destro is given a rank similar to a Field Marshall. |
06-03-2009, 01:46 PM | #6475 |
I Ride with Claymore!!!
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So Zulu, I took a look at Claymore and Falcon. Excellent job. Really well done. I thought your file cards were spot on. I use Claymore as a Major, but that's just me. The only thing I did question was Charles Bronson's head - because Bronson looks like a 95 year old rat from the "Secret of Nimh". And I figured John Zullo to be a little bit younger than that. Other than that, I thought you got them perfectly.
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06-03-2009, 02:10 PM | #6476 |
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That sounds like a killer setup, although I see no way the company could be based in America. They's have to be based out of a country with very lax laws, IMO. There's only so much overt action they could really take before they would be eacalated out of the Joe's jurisdiction if they were American based.
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On the other hand, there's quite an extensive history of American-owned companies sponsoring or supporting what could be considered acts of terrorism abroad to further their corporate interests and potentially putting them in conflict with the US Department of Defense. Here are some examples: - The Chiquita Banana company paying terrorist organizations in the Honduras and Colombia to serve as personal bodyguards, installation security guards, and labour union busters - Blackwater Worldwide employees selling weapons to the Middle East black market, with many of the weapons allegedly ending up in the hands of the PKK. - Halliburton providing nuclear technology expertise and oil and energy consultation services to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's government in Iran, in direct defiance of the US government's ban on doing business with "rogue states" and governments that sponsor terrorism. What Cobra could do would be to have offices in the States, but register itself in another country with more lax laws so that they can bypass some of the restrictions that apply to American companies (this is what Halliburton does, it has a subsidiary officially registered in the Cayman Islands so it can continue to do business with so-called "terrorist states" like Syria and Iran despite the US ban against dealing with them). I can imagine the GI Joe team being sent out to conduct expeditionary counterterrorism operations against mercenaries, insurgents, and operatives who've received training and technical backing from Cobra (I see Cobra's elite legions primarily as trainers and advisers and not so much as direct kinetic engagement frontline combatants, a "villainous" Special Forces Group A-Detachment, if you will). But as to the actual legal prosecution of Cobra, that would be something beyond GI Joe's scope and I think this would be a perfectly plausible explanation for why Cobra always "gets away" in the end, just like in the classic Marvel comics. Cobra would be protected by government corruption and bureaucratic inefficency and all sorts of legal, political, and economic loopholes. Besides, I like the idea that not all problems can be resolved by the direct application of lethal force, and Cobra being an "untouchable" corporate entity with ties to corrupt people in government and economic oversight organizations would make that clear. Last edited by zuludelta; 06-03-2009 at 02:21 PM.. Reason: edited for spelling and punctuation and fact-checks |
06-03-2009, 02:13 PM | #6477 |
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So Zulu, I took a look at Claymore and Falcon. Excellent job. Really well done. I thought your file cards were spot on. I use Claymore as a Major, but that's just me. The only thing I did question was Charles Bronson's head - because Bronson looks like a 95 year old rat from the "Secret of Nimh". And I figured John Zullo to be a little bit younger than that. Other than that, I thought you got them perfectly.
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06-03-2009, 02:32 PM | #6478 |
I Ride with Claymore!!!
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Updated Claymore's file card to show that he's a major (I thought I already did, but apparently Photobucket's servers haven't reflected the change yet). Glad you like the characterization I did with Claymore (your assessment of Charles Bronson's "unique" facial features notwithstanding ). I'm, always worried about long-time and earnest fans of certain characters not liking what I do with their favorites.
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06-03-2009, 02:48 PM | #6479 |
Lightning IG
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Yeah, you know, we have so many secret agent/commando types down here it's hard to keep track. He just blends right in.
So Zulu, I took a look at Claymore and Falcon. Excellent job. Really well done. I thought your file cards were spot on. I use Claymore as a Major, but that's just me. The only thing I did question was Charles Bronson's head - because Bronson looks like a 95 year old rat from the "Secret of Nimh". And I figured John Zullo to be a little bit younger than that. Other than that, I thought you got them perfectly.
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06-03-2009, 02:54 PM | #6480 |
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Alright so I know I haven't been in here in a while! Oliver you had me laughing my ass off with your description of Bronson. Love that movie to by the way and he does look like a old rat now that I think of it. Zulu those file cards are amazing, I really like Spirit and Airborne as they are cool as all get out!
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