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05-29-2009, 01:40 PM | #6081 |
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Well, I wasn't always a minister. I'm 6'3" and about 235 lbs.
Oh, I try to be a man of peace - a non-combatant, if you will - then again, as an Army Chaplain in Special Operations Command, I was trained in "Unarmed Combat" and "Edged Weapons" over at the JFKSWTC (that's the Green Beret School, for laymen)... but if you really think it's necessary, I'll play; Just say when. Quote:
Well, I realize we disagree. I do think you would benefit from reading the rest of the Marvel Run before mounting any more defenses on Duke's behalf. Considering his position of authority, he was responsible for a lot... and you're right about Falcon. In that instance of the SAW Viper, he would have borne as much if not more responsibility for that situation. It was an incredibly weird event.
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Your arguments about Rip-Cord have a lot of merit. But to my mind, there's nothing that says they both shouldn't be dismissed. Hama could have used that as basis to bring in new characters... clear out some space, so to speak. Plus, the military works that way. People come and go. No one stays forever.
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In a lot of ways, Snake-Eyes, Storm Shadow, and Scarlett's crazy shenanigans and special AWOL trips could be grounds for court-martial. I know, that's almost heresy, but I think there's grounds for it. For as much good as they did, they also caused a lot of trouble and drama.
just my opinion. Of course, at the end of the day, as someone pointed out in the last few pages (you, maybe?), it was a comic book for kids.
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05-29-2009, 01:40 PM | #6082 |
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I'm not sure about the Warrant officers in Delta. It doesn't seem like part of the structure from what I read, but I could see them being used interchangeably with the Sgt Majors. Or they may become Limited Duty Officers and get commissioned.
Most Warrant officer Positions are more technical experts rather than field commanders except for in the Special Forces. Those guys would seem to me to be greatly sought after. As they would most likely be more mature having gone through the trouble of getting a warrant from an enlisted position. Captains are the bottom rung of Delta Force officers, so they are field guys. Training takes like a year. The "Kill bin laden" book made no mention of an XO. He was a Major, but he didn't have a Captain as his XO. He did have 3 SgtMajs in his Squadron which seemed to be about 22-26 men. It was him, the CSM and then each of the other 2 SGT Majors had command of a troop of I guess 10 or 11. Each of those troops broke down into (3) 4 man teams led by a E-8 or E-7. They also had Combat Controllers (like 3 or 4) with them so I'm not sure is they qualify as Delta or not. |
05-29-2009, 01:41 PM | #6083 |
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In a lot of ways, Snake-Eyes, Storm Shadow, and Scarlett's crazy shenanigans and special AWOL trips could be grounds for court-martial. I know, that's almost heresy, but I think there's grounds for it. For as much good as they did, they also caused a lot of trouble and drama.
just my opinion. The next arc of the main IDW Joe book seems to indicate that Scarlett is facing court martial over her actions with Snake-Eyes, who's acting like a lone wolf. I've always said that SE works best as an "off the books" operator.
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05-29-2009, 01:44 PM | #6084 |
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I know the training is the same. The real answer is: I don't know. I don't know about Warrant Officers either. But I would imagine they might use a Captain or a Chief in place of a SGM in relation to the teams to let them "cut their teeth" so to speak. Again, it's just conjecture. Sorry I don't have anything better for you on that.
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05-29-2009, 01:46 PM | #6085 |
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Nope, just Grunt. And DDP had him come back to the Joe team.
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05-29-2009, 01:47 PM | #6086 |
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They featured him on a History Channel show once and as somebody with more than a passing interest in arnis & kali (I studied Remy Presas' Modern Arnis system when I was younger), I felt embarassed hearing him go on and on about the art's alleged history. Last edited by zuludelta; 05-29-2009 at 01:50 PM.. |
05-29-2009, 02:09 PM | #6087 |
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Here's a question I've always wanted to ask people who've trained at JFK regarding the knife combat training: Is it true that the basis for many of the techniques taught there is the Pekiti-Tirsia Kali system developed by Grand Tuhon Leo Gaje, Jr.? I've heard his name thrown around a few times by people who claim to have the inside track in the spec-ops community's combatives development process. Personally, I think the man's a bit of a charlatan. I don't mean that his techniques are ineffective (because they obviously are effective in practical combat) but the way he presents himself as some sort of gatekeeper to hidden martial arts knowledge is more of the showman side presenting itself and his "secret history" of Philippine martial arts is straight out of a comic book. I do know that he's given presentations and seminars for private groups of individual soldiers, but I dom't know if he's ever been officially linked in one way or another to JFKSWTC.
They featured him on a History Channel show once and as somebody with more than a passing interest in arnis & kali (I studied Remy Presas' Modern Arnis system when I was younger), I felt embarassed hearing him go on and on about the art's alleged history. To be honest, we didn't spend a lot of time talking about the history of the stuff we learned. He mentioned where a few moves came from, but nothing in-depth. We mostly just practiced technique: Holds, throws, joint manipulation, sneaking up behind a guy, etc. He taught us how to rip an enemy's adam's apple out... that was weird and pretty gross. Now to be fair, I was there as a guest from 4th Psy Ops. I was also the only officer in the class and they all knew I was a Chaplain. I was also one of the bigger guys in class, so Sgt. McDaniels often used me as his demonstration partner because we physically matched up better. Needless to say, I got thrown around a lot by one of the most deadly people I've ever met. I had a lot of bruises. It was good training, though, because a Chaplain can't carry a gun - so knives and fists are about all we're supposed to use in combat, if it comes to it. It was also kind of a game because I was an officer, and I wanted to try and lead by example for the enlisted students in the class. Whenever I would get thrown really hard, or pinned, or my joints manipulated, or I would get poked really hard with the training kife - some of the soldiers would wince and say, "Sir, are you alright?" Inside my head I would be screaming because I took a lot of pain, but I would try to smile and say through clinched teeth, "Just another day in the Army, soldier. You gotta be tough if you want to earn your beret." Everyone would laugh, but I made a lot of friends and those soldiers respected me. A lot of them came to me for counseling or when they wanted to talk with a minister about family problems, or work problems, or whatever. It was a way for me to earn their trust - to be a soldier with them. Ruck marches with them helped too. MSG McDaniels and I became good friends. He once said to me, "Sir, I know you're hurting out there, and I'm sorry about that. You're a pretty tough guy. Ever think about a branch transfer over to SF? I could talk to the Colonel for you." He was joking, of course. But I said to him, "Sgt., toughness is not about how hard you can attack someone else, but about what a man can withstand and continue his mission with integrity. That's what Jesus taught me... I think that's what the faith teaches all of us. That's faith, Sgt. - to continue mission and maintain standards even when life gets hairy and attacks us." Sgt. McDaniels started attending Chapel on Sunday - he hardly ever missed after that. I still hear from him from time to time.
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05-29-2009, 02:23 PM | #6088 |
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The "walking into a minefield" issue was another one that I was thinking of - could they really get away with that kind of thing in a military unit and stick around?
Of course, at the end of the day, as someone pointed out in the last few pages (you, maybe?), it was a comic book for kids. The problems is that these inconsistencies and other problems with a plausible reality are becoming ever more apparent as we get older, and the writers need to do a better job of allowing for that change. It's like this, there was a time when Zulu's work would have made me angry: "That's not who G.I. Joe is!" But now I see it as necessary for any fan: "This is how G.I. Joe would really have to be." Scarlett and Snake-Eyes would have been court-martialed. The military is not a gaggle of individualists, mercenaries, and cowboys. Duke would have been court-maritialed for letting Cobra Commander escape under his watch, or for letting the PIT 3 get destroyed under his watch. Duke and Falcon might have been court-martialed for their role in the slaughter of so many Joes. Rip Cord would probably still be in Ft. Leavenworth to this day for all the crap he pulled. You just can't do that stuff... and the problem is that when those ridiculous things happen, it stretches our willful suspension of disbelief to the point that we're taken out of the story, and we can't enjoy it as much. The key to any fantasy/fiction/sci-fi is that the reader has to be able to believe the story - it has to make sense internally. If it doesn't, then we all see it as poorly written, and not worth our time or money. Just my opinion.
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05-29-2009, 02:25 PM | #6089 |
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I feel small now.
I'm 6'-0", about 230 lbs.
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05-29-2009, 02:28 PM | #6090 |
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Yeah, that's my problem... it is a comic book for kids, but let's be honest: how many "kids" are really reading the new Joe Stuff, and how many Joe readers are old fans who have grown up? I mean, it's not like IDW's stuff is readily available at the 7-11 or the Grocery Store. You have to go to a comic shop to get it, and that's mostly guys in their 20's and 30's.
The problems is that these inconsistencies and other problems with a plausible reality are becoming ever more apparent as we get older, and the writers need to do a better job of allowing for that change. It's like this, there was a time when Zulu's work would have made me angry: "That's not who G.I. Joe is!" But now I see it as necessary for any fan: "This is how G.I. Joe would really have to be." Scarlett and Snake-Eyes would have been court-martialed. The military is not a gaggle of individualists, mercenaries, and cowboys. Duke would have been court-maritialed for letting Cobra Commander escape under his watch, or for letting the PIT 3 get destroyed under his watch. Duke and Falcon might have been court-martialed for their role in the slaughter of so many Joes. Rip Cord would probably still be in Ft. Leavenworth to this day for all the crap he pulled. You just can't do that stuff... and the problem is that when those ridiculous things happen, it stretches our willful suspension of disbelief to the point that we're taken out of the story, and we can't enjoy it as much. The key to any fantasy/fiction/sci-fi is that the reader has to be able to believe the story - it has to make sense internally. If it doesn't, then we all see it as poorly written, and not worth our time or money. Just my opinion. I tend to agree. Super Heroe comics, the suspension of disbelief is still there, even for an adult viewpoint, because it's super heroes.. it's not real. There's a huge element of fantasy and "make-believe" to it, so that allows for a larger radius to the suspension of belief. Come on, there were robots in World War 2, that right there means it's not true, lol. With something that's in the current timeline and fairly realistic, like G.I. Joe,the radius of disbelief is alot smaller.
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