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04-07-2009, 09:59 AM | #4481 |
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Updated versions of some of the last few images I posted, taking into consideration some of thunderdan19's suggestions (click on the Joe's name to view the pic):
Beach Head notes: adjusted the cut of balaclava and recoloured the M4 as per thunderdan's suggestions. Still kept the brown all-weather boots, though. Recondo notes: fixed head proportions Leatherneck notes: added M203 grenade launcher to his M4 Iceberg notes: added blue-grey tinting to his accessories to better match his original toy colours. Flint notes: beefed up his forearms. Still kept the shotgun, though, despite thunderdan's suggestion to use an M4 Masterkey (assault rifle + underbarrel shotgun combo). It's an excellent suggestion, but in my mind, the pistol-grip shotgun is an important element of Flint's visual make-up, and losing that element is just a step too far in terms of improvisation for me with regards to redesigning the character. Also, some new images of the Joe team's anti-armor specialists, Bazooka and Zap: Bazooka: Awesome! Zap: Latin him up a bit and he'll be perfect! Maybe you could set up a photo gallery under your profile with all your finished work on these guys. It would be great to see all the team members you've updated in one place once you are satisfied with each of them. |
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04-07-2009, 10:03 AM | #4482 |
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Falcon's is a good one:
YOJOE.COM | Filecard Gallery - Falcon Tunnel Rat: YOJOE.COM | Filecard Gallery - Tunnel Rat Ambush and Recoil are two real bad ones.
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04-07-2009, 10:55 AM | #4483 |
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Falcon's is a good one:
YOJOE.COM | Filecard Gallery - Falcon Tunnel Rat: YOJOE.COM | Filecard Gallery - Tunnel Rat Ambush and Recoil are two real bad ones. I like both of Tunnel-Rat and Falcon, as they are a few of the good later ones that came out. I like how on some filecards where the individual is part of elite unit they bring in some details to present a picture of how tough the character is. Falcon is a perfect example. Leatherneck and Wetsuit are like that as well. Last edited by Loose Cannon; 04-07-2009 at 11:02 AM.. |
04-07-2009, 11:08 AM | #4484 |
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I mostly based it on their MOS/Rating, rank, and a little artistic licence on my part. For example, with Gung-Ho, I included the "advanced personnel adminsitration course" in his training history because in the USMC, once an enlisted soldier hits E-6, he/she has to take it (or an equivalent course) regardless of their PMOS. I've also got it in my head that all the Joes who are involved in direct combat or armed reconnaissance should be diver/freefall qualified, that's why he's got those training schools listed as well.
The hardest part in coming up with these filecards was researching what courses certain personnel are allowed to take. I suppose anybody can take any course with the appropriate waivers, but I wanted the filecards to reflect the research I put in them by only going with the most plausible list of schools. For instance, with the Lady Jaye card I'm working on, I took out the Ranger School training that was listed in her original filecard (since Ranger School training is closed to females) and replaced it with Pathfinder School training (which is open to both sexes) instead. On the Scarlett card, I replaced her Marine Sniper School training (Marine Sniper School is closed to females as well) with cross-training in the USAF Countersniper Program (the only Armed Forces sniper school that accepts females from all services). Quote:
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04-07-2009, 11:27 AM | #4485 |
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I always thought of the filecards as snippets of their personal dossiers that Hawk would use to decide who went on what missions.
For the Lady Jaye, depending on how far away from original you want to get, could have her spend some time in Ireland's Army Ranger Wing (Ireland's version of the Rangers and they do accept females).
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04-07-2009, 11:32 AM | #4486 |
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I mostly based it on their MOS/Rating, rank, and a little artistic licence on my part. For example, with Gung-Ho, I included the "advanced personnel adminsitration course" in his training history because in the USMC, once an enlisted soldier hits E-6, he/she has to take it (or an equivalent course) regardless of their PMOS. I've also got it in my head that all the Joes who are involved in direct combat or armed reconnaissance should be diver/freefall qualified, that's why he's got those training schools listed as well.
The hardest part in coming up with these filecards was researching what courses certain personnel are allowed to take. I suppose anybody can take any course with the appropriate waivers, but I wanted the filecards to reflect the research I put in them by only going with the most plausible list of schools. For instance, with the Lady Jaye card I'm working on, I took out the Ranger School training that was listed in her original filecard (since Ranger School training is closed to females) and replaced it with Pathfinder School training (which is open to both sexes) instead. On the Scarlett card, I replaced her Marine Sniper School training (Marine Sniper School is closed to females as well) with cross-training in the USAF Countersniper Program (the only Armed Forces sniper school that accepts females from all services). Glad you like the filecards. I'll see about replacing Zap's features to reflect his ethnicity (although to be honest, it's going to be hard showing that with only the upper half of his face visible). I would have liked to add some flavour text to the filecards, but there's only so much space on the filecard. And given the choice between listing stuff like qualifications or flavour text, I went with the former because it's the type of stuff I'm more interested in reading about myself. I see where you're coming from, though. Maybe I'll do separate personality/personal history profiles at some point. Good idea. I'll have to try that later today. While googling just about everything I've come across so many of the schools you've named, but you just got them in there perfectly. And most importantly it's a more realistic background for these guys to have. These special operators are constantly training so it's only fitting they get alot of schooling under their belts. How did you decide on weapons qualifications? I'm not sure how guys become "expert at all NATO and Warsaw pact small arms" like back in the day. I don't know enough about military weapons qualification or expert special identifiers. |
04-07-2009, 11:45 AM | #4487 |
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But really, a good marksman is a good marksman. Aside from "zeroing" the weapons in question and familiarizing oneself with whatever sights are on it, it probably wouldn't be too terribly tough to qualify "expert" on most weapons without -too- much intensive training. "Expert" doesn't mean (at least in the Army) that you're some uber-sniper or whatnot. It's just shooting a predetermined number of pop-up targets in a limited time span on a range (for rifles) or getting enough shots near the center of a standing target (for pistols). |
04-07-2009, 11:48 AM | #4488 |
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That's a good way of rationalizing the lack of a consistent format for the filecards back in the day. Maybe certain segements of the much larger dossier were the only ones to make it to the filecard. |
04-07-2009, 11:54 AM | #4489 |
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While becoming an expert in "all" NATO and Warsaw Pact small arms might be a little daunting, the Army at least has courses that teach people the use and maintenance of foreign weapons, and you don't have to be special ops to go to some of them.
But really, a good marksman is a good marksman. Aside from "zeroing" the weapons in question and familiarizing oneself with whatever sights are on it, it probably wouldn't be too terribly tough to qualify "expert" on most weapons without -too- much intensive training. "Expert" doesn't mean (at least in the Army) that you're some uber-sniper or whatnot. It's just shooting a predetermined number of pop-up targets in a limited time span on a range (for rifles) or getting enough shots near the center of a standing target (for pistols). Like Shortfuze: You can see the mortar equipment and the M-16 expert, but is that even listed anywhere on a real military file? YOJOE.COM | Filecard Gallery - Short-Fuze |
04-07-2009, 12:09 PM | #4490 |
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Generally, weapons qualification isn't tied to a specific make and model of weapon. In the army, for instance, a soldier who registers an "Expert" rating on an M16 wouldn't be issued an "M16 Expert" marksmanship badge, but would be given the more general rating of "rifle expert." As far as I know, the breakdown for small arms classifications in terms of the marksmanship badges they're accorded in the Army is as follows: "rifle" = M16, M14 "carbine" = M4 "pistol" = M9 "automatic rifle" = M249 "machine gun" = M2, M240, M60 "submachine gun" = MP5 It's done differently with the USMC... I'm not sure but I think qualifying with any of the long arms (carbine, rifle or automatic rifle) gets a Marine a rifle qualification. |
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