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03-30-2009, 03:10 PM | #4391 |
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What would be the most useful are Helicopters, and VTOL aircraft. I feel like the the Joes should really only be using VTOL aircraft. Anything else requires a big presence and a lot of personnel. A MEU only has 6 Harriers, but it's complete Aviation Combat element is about 500 men! That's a lot of mechanics.
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03-30-2009, 03:53 PM | #4392 |
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I think the SkyHawk (now Ghost H.A.W.K.) is the most useful Joe vehicle. VTOL capabilities, good offensive assets.
My main Joeforce is the Ranger/Marine/SEaL elements. The armor and artillery (and associated support personal) are back in the HQs waiting for deployment (which isn't often). It could be months between assignments for Steeler and his Tank unit, but Stalkers been on assignments non-stop for the last 6 months. So using Loose's example of afghanistan: Stalker's team has been there for a couple of weeks doing recon, performing small hit & run missions, etc.. Cobra's pretty set up with a fortified bunker and has a large presence in the area. They drop in a couple of modular HQs and move some armor and artillery units into position. Now they've set up a forward base and have all associated personal that goes with it (cooks, maintenance, tank crews, etc..). That's where the 900-2000 members come into it. There's only about 100 "active" (constantly on missions) Joes.
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03-30-2009, 04:00 PM | #4393 |
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How does anybody include rampart into your Joe Verse. He seems like an unrealistic occupation but I don't know where he best fits in. He has some serious hardware, but his role seems like it would be so limited. He only had a brief inclusion in the comics that I remember and then he disappeared.
YOJOE.COM | Filecard Gallery - Rampart Now how to make a Joe out of him? It requires some changing around. Shoreline Defender doesn't exist. With his look and gear, and still keeping him Navy (the easiest thing to do would make him army, anti-aircraft), he'd be part of a VBSS unit. Or possibly part of a SEaL unit as the Heavy Weapons Officer.
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03-30-2009, 04:02 PM | #4394 |
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Fellas,
I've been reading a lot more about Delta Force: Selection, Training, Structure, etc. It's given me a lot of insight into the Joe Team. Not every Delta Operator is a Ranger/Special Forces guy. They take guys with special talents. Selection weeds out a lot of guys from the Rangers and Special Forces. It's more about being able to operate as an individual and never quitting.
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03-30-2009, 04:04 PM | #4395 |
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I've been reading a lot more about Delta Force: Selection, Training, Structure, etc. It's given me a lot of insight into the Joe Team. Not every Delta Operator is a Ranger/Special Forces guy. They take guys with special talents. Selection weeds out a lot of guys from the Rangers and Special Forces. It's more about being able to operate as an individual and never quitting.
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03-30-2009, 04:45 PM | #4396 |
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Fellas,
I've been reading a lot more about Delta Force: Selection, Training, Structure, etc. It's given me a lot of insight into the Joe Team. Not every Delta Operator is a Ranger/Special Forces guy. They take guys with special talents. Selection weeds out a lot of guys from the Rangers and Special Forces. It's more about being able to operate as an individual and never quitting. I was asking a Dear Aquaintance about both and he didn't think as highly about the Delta guys as he felt about SAD guys. His number one issue was they took too long to get there. Even though they are a quick reactionary force, they are still tied to the military. The SAD guys don't have that constraint plus they have the resources they want and a budget that technically doesn't exist. To him the SAD guys are ex-Delta/SEALS/Green Berets/Force Recon, but they are all experts at something. Whether it's explosives, Weapons, Chemical, languages, Interrogation. They are not based on rank, and there is basically a team leader and then everybody else. If there is even other guys to command. These are like 3 man teams. They know the locals. They are the guys who bring in the guns for the insurgents, and buy off the locals. They blow up bridges, or other useful equipment. Plus they are already there, where ever there is, gathering intel for months. Unfortunately he didn't have more to share. |
03-30-2009, 06:55 PM | #4397 |
disgruntled goat
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How does anybody include rampart into your Joe Verse. He seems like an unrealistic occupation but I don't know where he best fits in. He has some serious hardware, but his role seems like it would be so limited. He only had a brief inclusion in the comics that I remember and then he disappeared.
YOJOE.COM | Filecard Gallery - Rampart Because of his uniform I would also consider reassigning him to the desert missions team and have him man the console on the back of the Desert Fox. |
03-30-2009, 07:24 PM | #4398 |
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Pics of my two desert guys & a Duke/ Outback hybrid. Havent come up with names for them yet or how I'm gonna use the Duke Out. Maybe on desert team also.
But the one I'm really excited about is this guy: Codename: Pike First custom I've done for my VBSS team. I'm even considering making a file card for him. |
03-30-2009, 08:34 PM | #4399 |
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I think this is where we differ (the size of the Joe team), hence our different ideas on what consitutes "essential" personnel. I see the Joe team numbering around 250 to 300 personnel, with no organic armor or artillery assets and only vertical lift assets (helicopters, no fixed wing) as the organic aviation.
My reasoning being that any larger than company-size, and an organization starts racking up logistical and administrative requirements at an exponential rate and becomes less capable of rapid deployment and self-contained field operational sustainability. For instance, a 6-man food service section can reasonably support a company of 250 personnel in the field for a limited amount of time (maybe 15 days, which is already longer than most DA missions). If you've got two companies, though, you'll need not only to double the number of food service personnel, but you'll also need a dedicated section of water guys (since the food service guys won't be authorized to handle/distribute the amount of water necessary to maintain 2 companies). Double that number of personnel again and you'll need to get a supply team to coordinate the stream of food and water service supplies. Double that number again and you'll need dedicated transportation assets for food and water delivery. Same goes with vehicles. At the company-level, soldiers operating the vehicles can perform first-echelon maintenance and they won't need a dedicated supply staff to source their needs (their platoon sergeants can probably do all the requisitioning for them). Going up a level again requires an exponential increase in support personnel to keep pace with the greater administrative and logistical requirements of a larger organization. |
03-30-2009, 08:37 PM | #4400 |
Hog Driver
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Rampart is a great looking figure but is hard to place. In reality he'd be a gunner on a destroyer or something, sitting behind a targeting computer.
Now how to make a Joe out of him? It requires some changing around. Shoreline Defender doesn't exist. With his look and gear, and still keeping him Navy (the easiest thing to do would make him army, anti-aircraft), he'd be part of a VBSS unit. Or possibly part of a SEaL unit as the Heavy Weapons Officer. |
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