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03-19-2009, 02:04 PM | #4031 |
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Those boys in SAD are the REAL DEAL. In fact, because of "plausible deniability", they often get sent into places where Delta Force cannot go - like Pakistan. It's not that their better trained, necessarily, it's that they're just tasked by CIA - so they aren't beholding to the DOD.
I strongly feel like Chuckles and Low-Light could work with SAD. I'm just saying it's possible. But on the whole, after what I've recently read, I think G.I. Joe is a lot more like Delta Force. But just to reiterate what I've said from the beginning, Rank certainly plays a factor in the chain of command of Delta Force... And I still think it should in the Joe Team. If however you want to invade a country then you would be more like a Marine MEU or MEF and come with all your own stuff. SEALs would probably land ahead of you to make sure the beachhead would be secured. Your recon Marines are your Rangers, and if you need to go deep Jungle your Force Recon is what you use. But you have your own Armor and Aircraft. The SOCOM guys don't have Armor or Heavy artillery units associated with them a MEU does. Yeah I would guess that the SAD guys have a much more lose chain of command. They would be GS and no longer military. I can imagine they are all former military for the most part, but some guy who was a former Sgt, may now be the team Leader. He still has a rank but it's most likely GS13 or something. This is more what I wish Chuckles was. An SAD guy and not a CID guy. Give him a GS equivalent and let us figure it out. Same with Mace, and Agent Faces, and all the other Spies. |
03-19-2009, 02:16 PM | #4032 |
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Most people in the army start out with a default secondary MOS of 11B, even the females. That is all due to every soldier annually recieving all of their basic infantry training. Now when a personal clerk has to pick up their M16 you are all ready in a bad situation.
Career paths and MOS reclasification are reasons that people get secondary specialties. Reclassing happens all the time for soldiers trying to move to a more desired career path, or just so that they can make promotions, often as a re-enlistment incentive. Most members of EOD teams are formally 12B Combat engineers. That is why when Something said explosives and ordanance for an MOS i placed them as Combat Engineer on the spread sheet that I made. (by the way this is hrdwrkngXsoldier from the many other boards I use....screen name was to big for the tank ) One specialty that the JOE team clearly doesn't have enough of is Unit supply. There are so many supply companies and jobs in the millitary that this just baffles me. The closest thing to a 92Y that we have are Armorers, which also fall under suply, as do Fuelers and Water Dogs. Yeah the logistics guys have to be part of any unit. I can't imagine the amount of supply guys needed to bring the Tanks to the battlefield. I guess this is what "GreenShirts" are for. This would be a good position for a Jessica Lynch styled Joe. I'm starting to see the Flamethrower guys falling under the Logistics branch as well Their ability to use a Flamethrower is just a by-product of another more useful role they would fulfill. Like Combat Engineer, or Drivers or Construction, or Firefighters, or EOD. |
03-19-2009, 03:54 PM | #4033 |
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Neat discussions! Just a few thoughts on various points that have been raised so far:
- I don't know if having a GI Joe team admixed with CIA operators is in keeping with the original "spirit" of GI Joe, at least as written by Larry Hama in the comics. Agency spooks were always sort of an "amoral" third force in the early GI Joe stories. Of course, YMMV. - I always assumed that the Joe team shared their logistics assets with whatever unit they were co-housed with. For instance, when they were originally based at the Chaplain Assistants School in Staten Island, I thought it was a given that all logistical concerns were managed by the school's logistics office, sort of like how any detachment would be logistically supported by their host unit. Of course, this doesn't explain how they managed their logistics when they had their own stand-alone base in Utah later on in the Marvel Comics series. |
03-19-2009, 04:32 PM | #4034 |
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Neat discussions! Just a few thoughts on various points that have been raised so far:
- I don't know if having a GI Joe team admixed with CIA operators is in keeping with the original "spirit" of GI Joe, at least as written by Larry Hama in the comics. Agency spooks were always sort of an "amoral" third force in the early GI Joe stories. Of course, YMMV. - I always assumed that the Joe team shared their logistics assets with whatever unit they were co-housed with. For instance, when they were originally based at the Chaplain Assistants School in Staten Island, I thought it was a given that all logistical concerns were managed by the school's logistics office, sort of like how any detachment would be logistically supported by their host unit. Of course, this doesn't explain how they managed their logistics when they had their own stand-alone base in Utah later on in the Marvel Comics series. On point #2: What is the chaplains supply sargent going to say when hightech parts and weoponry comes in instead of a shipment of gideons New Testements. lol Too many checks and balances are involved in the logistics system for the Joes not to have their own line of supply. Personally i've always believed they purchase a lot of stuff from MARS as well. Destro likes money and the US governments is as good as cobras |
03-19-2009, 04:48 PM | #4035 |
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My Joe team includes a "Supply Unit". This is a group of Joes/Greenshirts that are the suppliers. If there's a long term mission, they'll come in with extra ammo, fuel, etc..
I also created an Armorer Joe, named Munitions, that is responsible for maintaining the Joe's armory. I see the Joes like Delta Force in how they handle/care for their weapons, each has a "favorite" and maintains it; but Munitions takes care of everything weapons related. This is where I place the HAVOC, as an escort vehicle. I just can't see it having real battlefield use. I use the Hammer here as well as the Battle Wagon.
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03-19-2009, 04:53 PM | #4036 |
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If however you want to invade a country then you would be more like a Marine MEU or MEF and come with all your own stuff. SEALs would probably land ahead of you to make sure the beachhead would be secured. Your recon Marines are your Rangers, and if you need to go deep Jungle your Force Recon is what you use. But you have your own Armor and Aircraft.
You have your Recon/Assault Team (also includes the SEaLs and Joe-Marines) to secure the beachhead and go after "targets of interest". Then you have the Infantry, which would be like the Ranger elements. Then have the Armor and Aircraft units. Then there's also a LRRP Team (Sneak Peek, Recoil, Sidetrack and Ambush). So say they're invading Cobra Island. The LRRP Team goes in and starts scoping out the territory. Then the SEaLs and Assault Teams (think Falcons unit in the first Cobra Civil War) go in and secure the beachheads and start going after special targets and doing recon for the Main Assault. That's when the Joe Armor and Infantry (mostly Greenshirts, but led by Rapid Fire/Grid-Iron/Grunt/Footloose/etc..) come into play.
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03-19-2009, 04:54 PM | #4037 |
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Hey guys,
WOW! Y'all have been busy! And there's a lot of new faces on the thread. That's awesome! Anyway, so I've been reading the book "The Mission, The Men, and Me." by Pete Blaber. Great book. Anyway, Blaber is a retired Delta Force commander, code name: Panther. Here's an example of how much Delta is like G.I. Joe. In 1998, Major Blaber was just starting his PT session... 6:30 AM: 10 Mile run. He was at Mile 2 (13 minutes into the run and exactly on pace), and his beeper went off. He turned around and ran back to Delta HQ in 11 minutes flat... for those of you who are counting, that's 4 miles in 24 minutes. I don't care who you are, that's fast. He was then told he would be on the next flight to Bosnia. He went home, grabbed his "Bosnia Bag" and was on the flight headed overseas 2 hours after his beeper went off. Once in Bosnia, he met up with 12 other Delta Operators in the Airport who had all arrived via different airlines and routes. They went to a safe house where where 20 other intel and Delta Operators were already in place. They planned and executed the capture of a Serbian War Criminal within about a week of their arrival. Their plan of capture involved using a newly invented "Spike Mat" to take out the target convoy's tires and a Gorilla Costume... I kid you not. He mention a bit about some of the other members on the team. One was a guy, code name: Predator. Blaber says that he once witness Predator scale a 9 story building in under a minute, using nothing but his hands and feet. Another member of the team was a world ranked pistol shooter. It's a LOT like G.I. Joe. Just thought y'all would enjoy that story. These operatives are physically unbelievable. Nearly superhuman. Blaber was a commander in Delta Force. He was an Officer, and rank matters. There's a lot more open communication and mutual accountability in planning and after action reports, but Officers are still in charge, Sergent Majors are still over E-8's and below. There's a lot of mutual respect and openness in planning, but in executing the missions, It's a firm chain of command. That's pretty cool. I didn't know that Delta used codenames. The beeper thing reminds me of a part of the old movie Navy SEaLs (how accurate was that movie anyways??). They're at the wedding of the 2iC and the beepers go off and they all have to up and leave right then and there.
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03-19-2009, 05:21 PM | #4038 |
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On point #2: What is the chaplains supply sargent going to say when hightech parts and weoponry comes in instead of a shipment of gideons New Testements. lol Too many checks and balances are involved in the logistics system for the Joes not to have their own line of supply.
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03-19-2009, 05:25 PM | #4039 |
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Well like Larry told us he was into the Characters more than anything. So trying to write all the details didn't matter to him too much. They are definitely trying to address it in the new IDW run.
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03-19-2009, 07:26 PM | #4040 |
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I just scanned through the new GI Joe: Cobra #1 today and it seems like Christos Gage (who's one of the most underrated talents working in comics these days, BTW) is writing Chuckles as more like a private operator to whom Hawk outsources certain sensitive missions, and that the whole CID thing is just a convenient cover for his contract. I can see a lot of Joe fans having issues with this, but personally, I think it's an interesting take.
Chuckles and by extension Jinx in the new series are Hawk's plausible deniablity. Chuckles is officially kicked out of G.I. Joe, but is still a member working for Hawk. Chuckles is not a mercenary or a hired out contract. He still IS a Joe, just off the books. The series is great BTW, at least so far. Especially considering my only previous experience with Chuckles is the animated movie. And it's making me want the Joe 7-pack, when I was only gonna get the Cobra one. Urg Oliver you're making me want to go and get some books on Delta now. One question though.... How heavy is the military lingo? A lot of times all the acronyms on this thread go right over my head.
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